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lfm
KVRAF
 
2723 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:58 am

polaris20 wrote:
Your eyes deceive you. There are 6 separate pickups.

And it's certainly better than the MIDI Guitar plugin, which has horrendous latency. The iOS app is even worse, to the point where I want my money back.

The YRG Gen2 is only slightly better than the Gen1, and it's still built for crap. A toy, nothing more.

To me, there are only two options: Fishman Triple Play, or Baby-Z (or higher). The latter is only $200 more than the FTP, and is every bit as accurate and low latency as a keyboard controller.


But it looked like a strip, and put on body of guitar, not right under each string etc. I thought it looked cheap with little chance of success - at least 5mm or so up to strings. Separation can't be that good.

I don't know if their Powerbridge might work together with Triple Play system. But as I read it was not really 6 different signals there either.

But you maybe seen it more closely than I have.

I still have my hopes for Line6 to do something. Their Variax system has 6 different pickups and they know pitch tracking really well. I put a feature request as well as post in their forum.

Post something here maybe if you like the idea:
http://line6.com/support/thread/66209

Let's say they fix an addon box for their VDI cable to a midi box, would be swell. Potential being the best midi solution for guitar ever. So much easier to track one signal from each pickup than trying to be polyphonic. And Line6 has the knowhow to do this already - the way they handle different tunings and virtual capos etc.
:)
Aural Chaos
KVRian
 
1003 posts since 31 Oct, 2002, from the high desert

Postby Aural Chaos; Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:07 am

I doesn't really matter what it looks like- the Roland pickups are the same way, and they are polyphonic....
lfm
KVRAF
 
2723 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:43 am

Aural Chaos wrote:I doesn't really matter what it looks like- the Roland pickups are the same way, and they are polyphonic....


Really cool if it's good - I don't mind that at all.

I was just comparing how under saddle pickupstrips look - and made my assumption - this TriplePlay looks the same.

Probably expected 6 bumps or something. Checking on a guitar now, it's more than 10mm even down from strings to pickup. How much separation can you get?
polaris20
KVRian
 
1086 posts since 12 Mar, 2005

Postby polaris20; Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:55 am

lfm wrote:
Aural Chaos wrote:I doesn't really matter what it looks like- the Roland pickups are the same way, and they are polyphonic....


Really cool if it's good - I don't mind that at all.

I was just comparing how under saddle pickupstrips look - and made my assumption - this TriplePlay looks the same.

Probably expected 6 bumps or something. Checking on a guitar now, it's more than 10mm even down from strings to pickup. How much separation can you get?


Look at the Sweetwater image; you can definitely see the individual blades.
bill45
KVRian
 
1313 posts since 14 Jun, 2006

Postby bill45; Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:59 am

Mike, can you tell us about your little experiment?
Maybe the baby Z would be a good backup for my mini z.
tapper mike
KVRAF
 
3601 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Postby tapper mike; Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:29 am

bill45
KVRian
 
1313 posts since 14 Jun, 2006

Postby bill45; Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:04 pm

I like that ribbon on the baby Z.
Any word on the rock controller?
tapper mike
KVRAF
 
3601 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Postby tapper mike; Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:33 pm

bill45 wrote:I like that ribbon on the baby Z.
Any word on the rock controller?


The rock controller is now the Z55. You missed the boat they were going for 900 I think when they were first released. Not enough initial buyers so they bumped the price up to $1,495.00
http://www.starrlabs.com/index.php?rout ... duct_id=74

It's a z5 that's made in China and chances are... You'll have to wait along with everyone else for a big enough batch order to be sent off to china.
lfm
KVRAF
 
2723 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:36 pm

polaris20 wrote:Look at the Sweetwater image; you can definitely see the individual blades.


Thanks, I will look into it when it arrives in the stores.
polaris20
KVRian
 
1086 posts since 12 Mar, 2005

Postby polaris20; Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:08 pm

tapper mike wrote:
bill45 wrote:I like that ribbon on the baby Z.
Any word on the rock controller?


The rock controller is now the Z55. You missed the boat they were going for 900 I think when they were first released. Not enough initial buyers so they bumped the price up to $1,495.00
http://www.starrlabs.com/index.php?rout ... duct_id=74

It's a z5 that's made in China and chances are... You'll have to wait along with everyone else for a big enough batch order to be sent off to china.


I don't much see the point of the Z55, since the regular Z5's price has been reduced back to $1800. $300 more gets you an American made unit that likely will be of better build quality.
tapper mike
KVRAF
 
3601 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Postby tapper mike; Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:28 pm

How do you know the Z5 is american made? The major difference is upgrade ability options.
polaris20
KVRian
 
1086 posts since 12 Mar, 2005

Postby polaris20; Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:21 am

tapper mike wrote:How do you know the Z5 is american made? The major difference is upgrade ability options.


Everything was, up until the Z55. At least that's what I was told.

Why would there be two models that are nearly identical, one costing $300 more, just so they could turn around and charge more for options on the one that's already more expensive? That makes no sense whatsoever.
tapper mike
KVRAF
 
3601 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Postby tapper mike; Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:27 am

The body and upgrade-ability.

The Z5 has a graphite body, no smudges no easy nicks or wear.
The Z5 also has full add on's where as the only thing you can add to a z55 is wireless midi and TCA
bill45
KVRian
 
1313 posts since 14 Jun, 2006

Postby bill45; Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:03 am

Mike Your solution makes me squeemish.In what mode, were You getting the stuck notes? Is there a + - octave shift botton, on the baby Z?
Eleventh
KVRist
 
111 posts since 1 Dec, 2012

Postby Eleventh; Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:02 pm

polaris20 wrote:And it's certainly better than the MIDI Guitar plugin, which has horrendous latency. The iOS app is even worse, to the point where I want my money back.


haha :D only the best latency in a software guitar-to-MIDI solution so far, plus it's polyphonic. I realize that this is the hardware forum, but the OP should definitely check out the MIDI Guitar plugin (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095), if only to have something to compare other stuff to. It's also way cheaper than any hardware solution, plus you can use your own guitar.

The Triple Play could also be a winner, but it's already a year past the original release date, so I'm not very excited about it anymore. The MIDI Guitar plugin takes care of my MIDI needs just fine at the moment.
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