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Urs wrote: That's good. Everyone who uses a "crack" of our stuff and invests dozens of hours in a project or two is a sure sale once the "crack" decides not to be one.
If I ever actually release a plugin, you have to tell me your secret. We do analytics. Every single day we get visitors from a link in an "expired demo" who then buy |
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tomtoo wrote: Piracy ? Piracy was the problem of the c64 sid ?
Imagination !+ Cooperation ! Thats the future. Diversity is great , but also confusing. Give a line(workflow) how to do thinks. Its not the plugins, its the daws that dont do there job. |
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robotmonkey wrote: Richard_Synapse wrote: Yep. And apart from half-working cracks or trojan-infected downloads, new versions of a plugin may stop working or refuse to load patches saved with a cracked version. For users serious about making music it's definitely not a good idea to bother with cracks. Richard I must be blunt here - the problems with cracked software are obviously overstated. If cracks would be so bad like devs warn, then I'm sure people would not use them. Actually, this is the main problem: cracks actually add value to customer, because you do not have to deal with stupid CP/DRM measures. I know a ton of cases where CP has stopped legal software dead (even just now noticed couple of people here complaining), but there hardly seem to be any complaints about cracks. Hm we get such complaints regularly. May depend on the plugin, some are protected better than others. robotmonkey wrote: What I'm arguing here is for CP measures that is as easy and comfortable to users as cracks. This always comes up in academic studies: people prefer comfort of using cracks to draconian drm measures. It's the same with all kinds of media - the most comfortable way of acquiring and using something tends to win out.
We use serials, it doesn't get any easier than that. Even just running a keygen is more work, so there's really no excuse. Richard |
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Richard_Synapse wrote: We use serials, it doesn't get any easier than that. Even just running a keygen is more work, so there's really no excuse. |
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Richard_Synapse wrote: robotmonkey wrote: What I'm arguing here is for CP measures that is as easy and comfortable to users as cracks. This always comes up in academic studies: people prefer comfort of using cracks to draconian drm measures. It's the same with all kinds of media - the most comfortable way of acquiring and using something tends to win out.
We use serials, it doesn't get any easier than that. Even just running a keygen is more work, so there's really no excuse. Some are, some are not ... some become by using a crack. I mean, if you reinstall your system, the plugin should still work and just ask for re-authorization. I'm not saying, this is justifying to use a crack, but it actually is a case, where cracked plugins sometimes are more convenient than the original versions. |
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Along that line, I've got a few clients that find it more convenient to just use a cracked version instead of installing the legal one... And I shouldn't complain because I'm paid by the hour, btw. But I'm an empathetic person, and I have great clients, too. I'd do anything just to save them money even though it means I'd get less. It's just how I am. |
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Are authorizations really that much trouble? Does it really take more time to authorize than to search for a crack, download it, run a keygen or whatever for installation?
I guess I must be very lucky in the software I have choosen cause authorizations have generally been fast and easy for me. |
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pdxindy wrote: Are authorizations really that much trouble? Does it really take more time to authorize than to search for a crack, download it, run a keygen or whatever for installation?
I guess I must be very lucky in the software I have choosen cause authorizations have generally been fast and easy for me. It depends. But more or less - yes. Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really. That's why I'm all for simple serial numbers. Or one kind of dongle. Using one dongle protection makes it so much easier, but we have a few now, and the drivers can bring down the OS if they clash. It just feels horrible . |
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DuX wrote: Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really. Really, a client with 100 plugins bought AT THE SAME TIME?? I've never bought 100 plugins AT THE SAME TIME, I maybe buy some plugins a month, but not more. Where do you work? Are there loads of rich guys who buy everything? |
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Tricky-Loops wrote: DuX wrote: Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really. Really, a client with 100 plugins bought AT THE SAME TIME?? I've never bought 100 plugins AT THE SAME TIME, I maybe buy some plugins a month, but not more. Where do you work? Are there loads of rich guys who buy everything? After a fresh system install, I believe that's what he's referring to. ---- It's all about the wavelets. I dream of the perfect additive synthesis. You can hire me if you are in Toronto! Contact for details. |
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DuX wrote: pdxindy wrote: Are authorizations really that much trouble? Does it really take more time to authorize than to search for a crack, download it, run a keygen or whatever for installation?
I guess I must be very lucky in the software I have choosen cause authorizations have generally been fast and easy for me. It depends. But more or less - yes. Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really. That's why I'm all for simple serial numbers. Or one kind of dongle. Using one dongle protection makes it so much easier, but we have a few now, and the drivers can bring down the OS if they clash. It just feels horrible . I imagine finding, downloading and installing 100 cracks is just as much work. I don't even know where to look myself, whether a particular crack is reliable etc. It would be some work to sort all that out and keep up to date with it. Then what about bug fixes and updates? What about tech support, keeping track of which installations are legal and which aren't... and so on. My observation of the admittedly small number of people I know who use cracks (or at least tell me) is that when all factors are considered, they spend more time on it than just being legal in the first place. |
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Decline no, maturing yes |
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Thanks for the "thumbs up" Dux! DuX wrote: Quote: Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really.
Easy understandable! Software protection is a double-edged sword. It's hard to understand why some developers focus too much on it, spending a lot of time and money, which they could instead use for developing a BETTER product!! To go back to Dux's argument: Imagine you have a total computer crash and maybe 700 Plug-Ins...all to set up again - a real time consuming and fuzzy work. |
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schnapsglas wrote: Tricky-Loops wrote: DuX wrote: Imagine having a client with a 100 plugins that require A/R authorisation like mine has and it all just becomes insane. It feels like almost he was punished for using legal software, really. Really, a client with 100 plugins bought AT THE SAME TIME?? I've never bought 100 plugins AT THE SAME TIME, I maybe buy some plugins a month, but not more. Where do you work? Are there loads of rich guys who buy everything? After a fresh system install, I believe that's what he's referring to. |
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