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Tremor or Microtonic? That is the question!

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion

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Crackbaby
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2837 posts since 10 Sep, 2003, from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden

Postby Crackbaby; Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:15 am

Watching the geist tutorials now .......... gah. Seems wrong to not have both .. :x
Elektron Machinedrum Mk1 UW, Analog4, Octatrack
Soundcraft EFX12, Alesis 3630, Nanocompressor, Zoom G13, Tapco 3630
Gordon-Smith Gypsy, Yamaha THR10, P-80
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cyphersuit
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2143 posts since 12 Nov, 2009

Postby cyphersuit; Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:26 am

I am more interested in microtonic. Is this 64 bit yet?
Finally!
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Resonator63
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3631 posts since 1 Oct, 2006, from Um! Where is this?

Postby Resonator63; Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:45 am

cyphersuit wrote:I am more interested in microtonic. Is this 64 bit yet?


It's currently being beta tested :wink:
overhishead
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127 posts since 21 Jan, 2007

Postby overhishead; Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:34 am

what the heck is wrong with knowing you supported a good software developer? have a little pride.
Crackbaby
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2837 posts since 10 Sep, 2003, from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden

Postby Crackbaby; Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:51 am

if you have a finite amount of money and you buy from developer A and then sells that product so you can buy from developer B. Have you supported a developer?
Elektron Machinedrum Mk1 UW, Analog4, Octatrack
Soundcraft EFX12, Alesis 3630, Nanocompressor, Zoom G13, Tapco 3630
Gordon-Smith Gypsy, Yamaha THR10, P-80
M-Audio Delta 24/96 PCI
Crackbaby
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2837 posts since 10 Sep, 2003, from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden

Postby Crackbaby; Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:23 am

Wow. :-o

The power of Tremor+Geist(to further manipulate things made in Tremor) is immense!

The sequencer in Tremor only has 32 bars which is a bit on the little side (though superior to edit). Spitter and sampling works great. Much better than Maschine.

Don't miss out!
Elektron Machinedrum Mk1 UW, Analog4, Octatrack
Soundcraft EFX12, Alesis 3630, Nanocompressor, Zoom G13, Tapco 3630
Gordon-Smith Gypsy, Yamaha THR10, P-80
M-Audio Delta 24/96 PCI
schnapsglas
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996 posts since 14 Jun, 2012, from Toronto, Canada

Postby schnapsglas; Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:35 am

Crackbaby wrote:if you have a finite amount of money and you buy from developer A and then sells that product so you can buy from developer B. Have you supported a developer?


Exactly. The point of license transfer is a protection against developer not further supporting the product or not providing a good upgrade path. In that case, you can sell your license and move on.

Also, it does not make sense to pay for something that you will not use. That's why I prefer license transfer with small fee. I rather pay for upgrades then pay too much for license transfer.
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Dewdman42
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949 posts since 14 Mar, 2006

Postby Dewdman42; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:05 pm

well Tremor has a synth, but Geist also has filters on board. Of course I can get sampled versions of synthesized drums and run them through Geist filters right...which is pretty close to the sound of tremor isn't it? The advantage of Geist of course is the more advanced arranger and the ability to load samples. Seems like Geist is clearly the one to get if you are only going to get one.
schnapsglas
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996 posts since 14 Jun, 2012, from Toronto, Canada

Postby schnapsglas; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:11 pm

Dewdman42 wrote:well Tremor has a synth, but Geist also has filters on board. Of course I can get sampled versions of synthesized drums and run them through Geist filters right...which is pretty close to the sound of tremor isn't it? The advantage of Geist of course is the more advanced arranger and the ability to load samples. Seems like Geist is clearly the one to get if you are only going to get one.


Geist is the best. If they come up with a hardware version.... I will drool. Although it requires like a 500 page manual...
For me the only point of Tremor is all the modulation options that I get to have, which can be a nightmare with samples.
It's all about the wavelets. I dream of the perfect additive synthesis.
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Dewdman42
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949 posts since 14 Mar, 2006

Postby Dewdman42; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:16 pm

oh yea I didn't think about the mod options. There is a lot that can be done with that. its really just too bad they did not combine both Tremor and Geist into a single program. I mean just think if you could use either a sampled wav or Virtual osc for source, then run through all the mod and filter capabilities of both programs, and the arranging capabilties of geist. It would be one serious SOB of a program. As it is I kind of feel like Tremor does one thing and Geist does the other and probably I would lean towards Geist I guess, but always wish it had a bit of synth programability built in.
kingtubby
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810 posts since 1 Mar, 2003, from Duston, NN5

Postby kingtubby; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:31 pm

It points back to DR008 which combined samples and synthesis. I guess it'll never happen but I think it'd be good if Geist and Tremor had a consistent design like SynthSquad and they could be combined with a Fusor like app...
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schnapsglas
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996 posts since 14 Jun, 2012, from Toronto, Canada

Postby schnapsglas; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:35 pm

kingtubby wrote:It points back to DR008 which combined samples and synthesis. I guess it'll never happen but I think it'd be good if Geist and Tremor had a consistent design like SynthSquad and they could be combined with a Fusor like app...


But FXPansion has habit of making things too complicated. I mean, SS is one of very few synths I use, but look at what mess it is, compared to what it does. Not everyone will agree, sure, but making sound on SS puts me to sleep... and yeah, Fusor, which makes everything even worse.

Only reason why I keep SS is Amber. It is irreplaceable.

I want them to try to keep things simple. I love their routing system and everything, but they try to put too much into one every time.
It's all about the wavelets. I dream of the perfect additive synthesis.
You can hire me if you are in Toronto! Contact for details.
Dewdman42
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949 posts since 14 Mar, 2006

Postby Dewdman42; Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:40 pm

no exactly the opposite. they are trying to make these modular programs that might "wire together" somehow. that's why you have to use the bloody fusor thing to combine those synths.

it would have been a million times easier to provide the synth engine of Tremor into geist, then try to create some way to wire the two seperate programs together.
overhishead
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127 posts since 21 Jan, 2007

Postby overhishead; Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:14 am

Crackbaby wrote:if you have a finite amount of money and you buy from developer A and then sells that product so you can buy from developer B. Have you supported a developer?


Good point.

license transfers sometimes require work from the developer, so the cost of the license would have to be padded to begin with to cover administrative costs, and not everyone will be taking advantage of selling their license, nor will people 5 years down the line want to pay the original cost of the software when it's deprecated. totally depends i guess.
Schmidi
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57 posts since 22 Apr, 2011, from Seattle WA

Postby Schmidi; Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:21 am

Well, thanks for the jrrshop deal guys, that was a great price for Tremor!

I now have a full set: Synth Squad, Geist, and Tremor. For me at least, Tremor really fills a gap in terms of drum sysnthesis with quick beat making abilities.

Geist definitely has a deeper sequencer, but Tremor is more immediate which is a nice thing to have when you want to quickly lay down a beat. If you need a drum synth, you could do a lot worse for $75!
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