Is there a metal cassette tape emulator?
- vvvvvvv
- Topic Starter
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
I loved the sound of vinyl recorded to a 80s Technics cassette recorder.
I've searched on "metal tape" but couldn't find anything.
Can anyone advise?
thanx in advance
I've searched on "metal tape" but couldn't find anything.
Can anyone advise?
thanx in advance
Member 12, Studio One v6.5, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 7, Spitfire, Dune, Arturia, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys, Nektar Panorama P1, Vaporizer 2 to test out
- KVRian
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
My favourite tools for Tape Sound ...kevvvvv wrote:I loved the sound of vinyl recorded to a 80s Technics cassette recorder.
I've searched on "metal tape" but couldn't find anything.
Can anyone advise?
thanx in advance
If you just want distortion and saturation then I recommend you Variety of Sounds 'Ferric TDS' otherwise if you want also the imperfection of tape e.g. wow & flutter noise and so one I recommend you TB Reelbus or (I prefer and) Satin by u-he.
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- KVRAF
- 6426 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Maybe he meant metaloxide tape.
I've seen change of tapes in a tape emulator - if it was Waves J37.
But you pretty much get the same effect by adjusting bias - which also Waves KMT has, and many others.
Bias adjust the frequency correction curve from a specific tape brand+model. In real world it adjust a high pitch current blended with music signal when recorded - that affect high end response from tape.
Metaloxide tape provide a little better S/N ratio for high end - and it needs a little more bias current - and then at playback a cut in high end response curve.
But if doing the same - increase bias - on a regular tape - you get a high pitch cut, loose some high end(as I remember doing this).
Normally you adjust bias to give as flat response as possible.
I've seen change of tapes in a tape emulator - if it was Waves J37.
But you pretty much get the same effect by adjusting bias - which also Waves KMT has, and many others.
Bias adjust the frequency correction curve from a specific tape brand+model. In real world it adjust a high pitch current blended with music signal when recorded - that affect high end response from tape.
Metaloxide tape provide a little better S/N ratio for high end - and it needs a little more bias current - and then at playback a cut in high end response curve.
But if doing the same - increase bias - on a regular tape - you get a high pitch cut, loose some high end(as I remember doing this).
Normally you adjust bias to give as flat response as possible.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
There really is one for windows but i can't remember the name of the plugin, it really does exist. Whether it is accurate or not i can't answer, but i had remember using it a few times before i went mac. i will try really hard to remember for you and see if i can find it. It specifically emulated a couple different cassette tapes.kevvvvv wrote:I loved the sound of vinyl recorded to a 80s Technics cassette recorder.
I've searched on "metal tape" but couldn't find anything.
Can anyone advise?
thanx in advance
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
http://tonebytes.com/tape-noise/
there's those, but they are only sampling the noise (inc metal tape) so not the one i was thinking of but i will be stubborn and find it (but must sleep at 330 am now )
There was one specifically with a pic of a cassette tape with types you could drive.
there's those, but they are only sampling the noise (inc metal tape) so not the one i was thinking of but i will be stubborn and find it (but must sleep at 330 am now )
There was one specifically with a pic of a cassette tape with types you could drive.
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- KVRist
- 155 posts since 29 Jan, 2013
I think The oM is referring to Tapehell by 1982ART. I wouldn't say it is a very accurate tape sim but it is a VERY nice saturator/warmer (and free) so there is nothing to lose in trying it.
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- KVRist
- 360 posts since 25 May, 2011
https://1982art.wordpress.com/descargas/theodore_whitmore wrote:I think The oM is referring to Tapehell by 1982ART. I wouldn't say it is a very accurate tape sim but it is a VERY nice saturator/warmer (and free) so there is nothing to lose in trying it.
- vvvvvvv
- Topic Starter
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
lfm .... you reckon it's the bias that creates that metal tape sound.
So all I need is a tape emulator plug with an adjustable bias.
And so losing a bit of top end is what makes metal tape sound "metal".
cheers = kev
So all I need is a tape emulator plug with an adjustable bias.
And so losing a bit of top end is what makes metal tape sound "metal".
cheers = kev
Member 12, Studio One v6.5, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 7, Spitfire, Dune, Arturia, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys, Nektar Panorama P1, Vaporizer 2 to test out
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Then U-HE's Satin might be up your alley.You can't get any better sandbox system as of this moment.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
No it wasn't tape hell. It had a GUI similar to today's tape plugins but with a cassette tape spinning instead and a pretty interface and proper dials. I can't remember this 100% but I think it may have had a Dolby setting too. This will do my head in to find, as I googled and couldn't, and I'm guessing it was an old se creation. It was I a group of plugins from the same dev, windows only. I'm going to find it!
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- KVRAF
- 6426 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Not entirely, but the ones I mentioned could be worth looking at how close you get - they got free demos.kevvvvv wrote:lfm .... you reckon it's the bias that creates that metal tape sound.
So all I need is a tape emulator plug with an adjustable bias.
And so losing a bit of top end is what makes metal tape sound "metal".
cheers = kev
I used metal tapes mostly for masteringtape from my multitracker tapemachines.
The mid and high end is very distinct compared to any predecessor technology. Maybe exciters are more close giving that raise in perceived hi end. Thinking looking at SPL Vitalizer or similar. I see no other magic about it.
For one tapedeck I made my own bias switch for, to get the best sound possible from different tapes I had. They were all so different. In the end I sticked with Maxell and didn't have to change so much. Metal tapes wore down tapeheads so much I didn't use it for casual listening too much, carefully adjusted bias worked so well for chrome and regular low noise tapes together with Dolby C.
So maybe look into exciters instead.
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- KVRAF
- 11051 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
+1lfm wrote:Not entirely, but the ones I mentioned could be worth looking at how close you get - they got free demos.kevvvvv wrote:lfm .... you reckon it's the bias that creates that metal tape sound.
So all I need is a tape emulator plug with an adjustable bias.
And so losing a bit of top end is what makes metal tape sound "metal".
cheers = kev
I used metal tapes mostly for masteringtape from my multitracker tapemachines.
The mid and high end is very distinct compared to any predecessor technology. Maybe exciters are more close giving that raise in perceived hi end. Thinking looking at SPL Vitalizer or similar. I see no other magic about it.
So maybe look into exciters instead.
I did this also, to dupe from the metal "master" to distributable (freebie/demo) cassettes, from various reel-2-reels (e.g. Tascam 34B/48/388 Studio-8/TSR-8, etc).
The OP could get the real thing by recording onto cassette, and importing to his DAW.
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- KVRAF
- 2608 posts since 23 Mar, 2005 from Detroit
I know it's not metal cassette tape, but I have bounced tracks to an old VHS video player, on a really worn tape that has been recorded on many times. It gives sources a real funky character to them. Try various input levels for pleasant sounding distortion.
- KVRist
- 215 posts since 26 Sep, 2013
yeah I also always advise people who search this cassette tape effect to actually do it with a cassette tape. Or a VCR. It's not as convenient as an insert plugin in your DAW, but it brings the sound 100%, and it's not much of work.
Just recently found a 3-head Sony tape deck with adjustable bias for cheap. Always wanted one, they were expensive at that time. Works great for (almost) real-time effects and DAW bounce-back. And I think better than any plugin. I own Satin by the way.
Just recently found a 3-head Sony tape deck with adjustable bias for cheap. Always wanted one, they were expensive at that time. Works great for (almost) real-time effects and DAW bounce-back. And I think better than any plugin. I own Satin by the way.