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detuned but in tune guitar sound

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KVRist
 
180 posts since 18 Mar, 2010

Postby thefyn; Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:04 am

Oh yeah, guitar is finger picked too.
KVRAF
 
1971 posts since 17 Jan, 2008
 

Postby michael2; Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:10 am

thefyn wrote:
niewysoki wrote:How to make guitar sound like that?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43EDrLxKAKg#t=0m13s


It sounds like it is a

Semi-hollow body guitar (or elec acoustic)
A hint of analog distortion
Tape delay (a cheap way to get that is the Two Timer pedal from BBE)
Little bit of slap back reverb may also get you a similar vibe

It also sounds like a 10 inch speaker.

I'm 100% wrong probably, but I know I can get similar tones from the setup I listed above.


sounds bout right too me, but the guitar is not perfectly tuned so you can hear it occasionally on some of the open notes.
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KVRist
 
180 posts since 18 Mar, 2010

Postby thefyn; Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:03 am

michael2 wrote:
thefyn wrote:
niewysoki wrote:How to make guitar sound like that?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43EDrLxKAKg#t=0m13s


It sounds like it is a

Semi-hollow body guitar (or elec acoustic)
A hint of analog distortion
Tape delay (a cheap way to get that is the Two Timer pedal from BBE)
Little bit of slap back reverb may also get you a similar vibe

It also sounds like a 10 inch speaker.

I'm 100% wrong probably, but I know I can get similar tones from the setup I listed above.


sounds bout right too me, but the guitar is not perfectly tuned so you can hear it occasionally on some of the open notes.


I suspect the guitar is crappy, and the player is good/soulful but not good technically. So the out of tune parts are just mojo really (fingers pulling strings sharp etc).
KVRAF
 
1971 posts since 17 Jan, 2008
 

Postby michael2; Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:20 pm

thefyn wrote:
michael2 wrote:
thefyn wrote:
niewysoki wrote:How to make guitar sound like that?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43EDrLxKAKg#t=0m13s


It sounds like it is a

Semi-hollow body guitar (or elec acoustic)
A hint of analog distortion
Tape delay (a cheap way to get that is the Two Timer pedal from BBE)
Little bit of slap back reverb may also get you a similar vibe

It also sounds like a 10 inch speaker.

I'm 100% wrong probably, but I know I can get similar tones from the setup I listed above.


sounds bout right too me, but the guitar is not perfectly tuned so you can hear it occasionally on some of the open notes.


I suspect the guitar is crappy, and the player is good/soulful but not good technically. So the out of tune parts are just mojo really (fingers pulling strings sharp etc).


in that case, you need IK Multimedia's MOJO-izer. Good observation.
macbook pro 2.88 GHz Intel Core Duo, 10 gigs ram, 750GB HD, Logic Studio 9
my blog and some music:
http://rabbitearsmotel.wordpress.com/
KVRer
 
1 post since 20 Jun, 2011

Postby SleepingRico; Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:30 pm

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Hey there,

Came across this forum as I was looking for ways to "vintagelize" my guitar sound the way Bibio does.

To me, 4 different type of actions are simultaneously applied to get that sound:

1. EQ: Boost Hi-med frequencies and lower Bass & High (you can also use a telephone voice-like filter)
2. Destroy sound quality: play your audio file in an 8-bit resolution. Fine tune depth and mix parameters according to your taste
3. Detune: The guitar is originally perfectly tuned, the vynil-like detune you hear is digitally recreated. You can either use a rotary-like effect (in that case you'll need to be precise in defining your effect parameters, also cancel the phasing functions this type of effects usually add), or use a vinyl warp plugin such as izotope (worked fine for me).
4. Compress: with a classic compressor or a digitally recreated vintage compressor such as "Vintage Warmer". This last will give you the subtle distortions I think you like in that sound when it peaks.

This is as far as I could get,

Hope this helps,
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Rico

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KVRAF
 
15506 posts since 27 Jul, 2005, from the wilds of wanny
 

Postby thecontrolcentre; Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:37 pm

It sounds like really bad cassette tape recording. Maybe a built-mic, auto-level tape machine ... really lofi.
lfm
KVRAF
 
2581 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:39 am

At the end you could hear a slight modulation when guitar fades. So guitar itself is not to blame.

Absolute minimum of chorus or vibrato is my guess.

In my taste a very poor guitarsound to an otherwise really nice tune.
Just picking an acoustic instead of that razor sound would be in tune with the song.

But that wasn't the issue...
KVRist
 
112 posts since 25 Jul, 2005, from los angeles

Postby syzygywell; Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:53 pm

Nagra IV-S, Akai 1710 and Telefunken Magnetophon 302 are his primary recording devices.
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Bibio is pretty well out of the box except for tracking and final recording.

On this page you can see one of his recording areas.
http://www.relayproject.com/bibio.html

His myspace has a few videos of him in the studio. Basically he uses an akai sampler, tape machines, a few synths (cs10 I know for sure) mpc2500.

contrary to someone else's speculation on his musical stylings he is really quite a multi-instrumentalist, a sonic arts graduate and music teacher until his recording opportunities took off being licensed by L.L. Bean, Adult Swim, Toyota. He has been playing guitar since 12 years of age. & Obviously influenced heavily by BoC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmygV3C4tTE
KVRist
 
112 posts since 25 Jul, 2005, from los angeles

Postby syzygywell; Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:10 pm

Just a quick follow up for the OP. Bibio has begun posting his acoustic songs on youtube as of yesterday. It won't give you the recording chain but he giving his tuning and playing his guitar so you can see what notes/chords he is playing for the song.

I think it is kind of wonderful actually. I posted back to him and asked about Haikuesque and Palm of Your Wave and he said he was going to upload those songs as well.

Here is Lovers' Carvings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-02yhAAMw
KVRer
 
2 posts since 7 Sep, 2011

Postby willman85; Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:01 pm

To get that Bibio sound... The most important thing is what is originally being played. A fingerstyle-picked jam that goes places (e.g. sections of verse/chorus), differences in pacing and tonality (you could for example after playing a melody play it again in a different key, then again in the first key, then in a third different key). Then run a copy of the clean recording through an analogue mixer twiddling the eq, run a copy onto cassette tape, a copy onto 1/4" reel tape if you've got one ...

Basically play around running your original recordings through different analogue effects. Analogue is best and preferred but if you need to use digital then I think that the GS-201 Tape Echo, and the PSP Mixpack 2 (specifically MixSaturator 2) are great. You may wish to run effected versions through another effect (e.g. one that has been run through an analogue mixer while making filter sweeps, and while keeping that version, run that version through a tape echo unit while varying its parameters).

Be bold with your knob-twiddling. As well as gentle sweeps do quick back and forth movements, it doesn't always have to be musical-sounding.

Align all these versions in your DAW and play around mixing their levels in and out of each other, getting the best bits out of each recording and keeping the worst out of each (i.e. buzz, clicks, hiss, which you'll certainly get while playing with tape). The key word is contrast; you may even wish to pop a bar or two of the original recording in there at places so that the listener gets a short blast of the high fidelity rich basses that were lost, so that he/she may really appreciate all the work you've put into f**king up the sound. You may want to start your arrangement with an intense/busy part of your jam recording and go from there rather than starting from the buildup to it.

Variously all the tools I've mentioned will introduce wow and flutter, saturation, tape echo, analogue filtering and compression. But tape is also good for serendipitously picking up artifacts. As is using mikes.

Another handy piece of kit is the Zvex lo-fi loop junky.
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KVRian
 
531 posts since 23 Mar, 2010, from Canada
 

Postby VibraSound; Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:30 am

You can also use Satin : http://www.u-he.com/cms/satin
KVRist
 
126 posts since 30 Dec, 2004

Postby plastic; Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:46 am

Instead of Satin I'd recommend Waves J37, because that one actually does something audible to the sound, which is the target here. lo fi wow & flutter with some tape delay and/or slap back. J37 is freaking good at all that.
KVRist
 
126 posts since 30 Dec, 2004

Postby plastic; Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:18 am

Or get a Strymon El Capistan delay pedal.
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KVRAF
 
18430 posts since 26 Jul, 2005, from Inside Schroedinger's Cat...or am I...

Postby robojam; Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:33 am

2 year old thread resurrected!
KVRian
 
1071 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Postby Ah_Dziz; Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:41 pm

Tape pitch artifacts. For nice lofi effects the most flexible is sonitex if you are on pc. Some eq+distortion+vibrato effect can do it too.
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