New DIVA components
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Blue-eyed Blonde Ape Blue-eyed Blonde Ape https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=316754
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- 300 posts since 19 Nov, 2013 from Abandoned Spaceship
So acid it's
Cs-80 is basically a "brass machine", brass keys, brass pads, brass basses, everything brass, ask Jim Brass if you don't believe me, hahah, so most likely in order to get that CS-80 sound one would need to model both oscillators and filters and maybe everything altogether, which again most likely is not worth it considering the cost of a unit and an appeal to the public.
Though I love it too, but now some sort of acid looks like an obvious choice to be added
Cs-80 is basically a "brass machine", brass keys, brass pads, brass basses, everything brass, ask Jim Brass if you don't believe me, hahah, so most likely in order to get that CS-80 sound one would need to model both oscillators and filters and maybe everything altogether, which again most likely is not worth it considering the cost of a unit and an appeal to the public.
Though I love it too, but now some sort of acid looks like an obvious choice to be added
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- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Well, I can select more than one wave, but the result sound is not quite as I expect (when I have the saw selected and I select pulse, the sounds changes, but not as strongly as it should, IMO). But maybe it's my ears that are tricking meUrs wrote:That should be possible, or am I missing something? (Dual VCO, not Dual VCO eco)fmr wrote:But you can, of course, allow for multiple selection in the Dual VCO, and that will do the trick
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 7397 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Any chance of something similar to a modern poly analog like the Prophet 8 or Tetra?
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- KVRAF
- 23101 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
They're not dinosaur enough
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- KVRAF
- 1895 posts since 13 Oct, 2002
After all the efforts you've put in meticulously emulating other classic synths in Diva, I'm really surprised by this answer. There is a whole vocabulary of classic analog sounds that Diva will be deprived from by this decision. OK then... off to ask when ZHZ is getting the full Uhbie VCF controls...Urs wrote:Well, the OB-X' VCO section doesn't exceed the Dual VCO in features, nor does it sound vastly different. The main difference are individual trimpots for tuning, and those have been in Diva since the beginning. The same can be said about the envelopes.
I think that spending time on this would only benefit our non-existant marketing department ("now with full emulation of…" ), while the musical benefit would be in doubt. I even think that the extra choice would cause an unnecessary distraction.
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 30 Nov, 2012
I don't really understand your concerns. If Urs is right (which I assume), then implementing the Oberheim OSCs is - musically spoken - a waste of time and energy because listeners won't here a difference, so why will a "whole vocabulary of classic analog sounds that Diva [...] be deprived from by this decision"?
- KVRist
- 215 posts since 26 Sep, 2013
I also cannot follow here. It never ever crossed my mind Diva's envelopes could be too slow, and I also never heard anything in that directions from other users.Urs wrote:Well, we timed the envelopes of our vintage synths and used that as a base. Hence I'm quite unsure what it is everyone is talking about. We replicated them as closely as we possibly could.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised in a blind test, there would be people who'd find a Minimoog sound bad and a freeware softsynth sound good. Which is fine by the way, this is a matter of taste, not knowledge. Maybe it also has to do with the music style, and Diva may be too slow for modern electronic music? I don't know, I don't do dancefloor techno.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11508 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I'm no synth expert by any means, but the TAL Bassline 101 envelopes (which appear to have been very well matched to his hardware 101) feel faster than DIVA. Maybe it's just the parameter scaling throwing me off, but it's not unnoticeable.Phil999 wrote:I also cannot follow here. It never ever crossed my mind Diva's envelopes could be too slow, and I also never heard anything in that directions from other users.Urs wrote:Well, we timed the envelopes of our vintage synths and used that as a base. Hence I'm quite unsure what it is everyone is talking about. We replicated them as closely as we possibly could.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised in a blind test, there would be people who'd find a Minimoog sound bad and a freeware synth sound good. Which is fine by the way, this is a matter of taste, not knowledge.
That makes me wonder...perhaps DIVA's envelopes aren't slow at all, and maybe people just don't like the scaling on envelope controls. Not enough screen real estate being devoted to the faster side of the envelop could give the envelopes the illusion of being slower. Whereas something like Bassline 101 may have more space devoted to the faster side of things allowing for a wider, fast section, with more fine control (e.g. "faster envelopes").
Just a theory.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11508 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Is there anything currently in DIVA that would approximate a Prophet 5? Basically just similar sounding oscillators or filters (not looking for envelopes)? I voted for the Prophet 5 the first time, just curious if Urs or anyone thinks DIVA already gets close and if so, with what combination of modules.
I could see the addition of a 303 filter as a nice touch, being that there aren't any other 18db filters in DIVA and it's got such an iconic sound. Would make sense to add that one with the eventual step sequencer update.
I could see the addition of a 303 filter as a nice touch, being that there aren't any other 18db filters in DIVA and it's got such an iconic sound. Would make sense to add that one with the eventual step sequencer update.
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- KVRAF
- 1895 posts since 13 Oct, 2002
All I can say is compare and listen. I don't want to create a controversy about it. U-he will do whatever they feel right doing. These textures, if required, will have to be obtained elsewhere. The Diva has spoken.re*MD9@3!Tm^ wrote:I don't really understand your concerns. If Urs is right (which I assume), then implementing the Oberheim OSCs is - musically spoken - a waste of time and energy because listeners won't here a difference, so why will a "whole vocabulary of classic analog sounds that Diva [...] be deprived from by this decision"?
- KVRAF
- 23101 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
303 filter is NOT a 3-pole (18 dB/oct) design. That's a common misconception.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I could see the addition of a 303 filter as a nice touch, being that there aren't any other 18db filters in DIVA
- Beware the Quoth
- 33155 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Yup, it's got 10 poles, if I remember rightly.EvilDragon wrote:303 filter is NOT a 3-pole (18 dB/oct) design. That's a common misconception.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I could see the addition of a 303 filter as a nice touch, being that there aren't any other 18db filters in DIVA
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- KVRAF
- 23101 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Nope, it's a 4-pole design (in hardware). The guy just got a quite messy transfer function when he tried to put it in pole-zero form.
http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
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- KVRist
- 269 posts since 12 Nov, 2011
The thing about the CS-80 is all that people *really* want from it is the Bladerunner brass sounds. If you could accurately emulate those, that's all you probably need imo. And it's worth considering how much of that brass sound comes from chorus and reverb.
That being said, it would be quite the PR coup to have Vangelis play his "greatest hits" on Diva. Though one might have to build a one-off Diva controller to really get his attention (Magnus Lidström from Sonic Charge was saying on Twitter that Vangelis told him he loved Synplant, but wished it came in hardware form).
That being said, it would be quite the PR coup to have Vangelis play his "greatest hits" on Diva. Though one might have to build a one-off Diva controller to really get his attention (Magnus Lidström from Sonic Charge was saying on Twitter that Vangelis told him he loved Synplant, but wished it came in hardware form).
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- 33155 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
EvilDragon wrote:Nope, it's a 4-pole design (in hardware). The guy just got a quite messy transfer function when he tried to put it in pole-zero form.
http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
That's the one
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