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Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Garrix.

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KVRian
 
678 posts since 26 Jun, 2008, from Czech Republic

Postby FarleyCZ; Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:12 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

chk071 wrote:And still companies feel like its a worthy opportunity to invest into producing games, so the percentage ofpirated games can't be THAT big. Of course also due to more and more effective copy protections. Of course, in the age of high speed internet, the rate of pirated copies is higher than it used to be, but the market has also grown much bigger. And an important point for audio apps, for me, is also the question how many of the people using warez would have really bought the full version? Of course, the guy in the video would have, but all the wanna-be-like-hims? So i wonder how much damage is really done.

Nnnnope. Fact that those games exist doesn't mean they are still profitable. Look at all those DLCs, microtransactions, big companies focusing on closed appstores, "free to play, but pay to succeed" games, massive investments into payed multiplayers... It's going down too, but they are just not showing it up.
...and yes, people wouldn't buy all the stuff, so damage is really much smaller then it seems, but that's just in economic terms. Damage on that precedence is priceless as it will disturb the industry in upcomming years really bad.
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Postby highkoo; Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:12 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Sendy wrote:have there been many meduim-to-big success non-EDM producers that are known to use cracks?

Im no seasoned pro studio vet, but in my bit of experience, holy shit yes.
Its everywhere. There are for-hire studios with keygens on their machines.
Most people/studios are smart enough to pay up before they shoot the video though... :hihi:
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KVRian
 
678 posts since 26 Jun, 2008, from Czech Republic

Postby FarleyCZ; Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:19 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Yup, seen few too.
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KVRAF
 
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Postby Sendy; Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:21 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

The studio down the road from me also uses all craxed software - they say they have to to break even, but I think maybe actually learning how some of their plugins work instead of relying on other people's (stolen) presets might increase their prestige and cashflow :hihi:

I was more curious about producers and musicians, but I guess it's a silly question, because the answer is simply "it's everywhere". I can't imagine someone like Four-tet or Mouse on Mars using craxicles, though.
I can haz Electronic Music Stardom plox?

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KVRian
 
678 posts since 26 Jun, 2008, from Czech Republic

Postby FarleyCZ; Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:22 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Here we go. Mtv just added him to "Artist to watch in 2014 list". Glad he made it, good to se young EDM blood, but I'm also affraid I'll have hard time advicing buying software to youngsters in the future as you can get world famous and admired with tracks names as "Torrent" and "Keygen"...
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5983 posts since 20 Jan, 2008, from Down on the farm

Postby Numanoid; Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:27 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

FarleyCZ wrote: EDM wouldn't be what it is today without devs.

Time to cut the life support then :D
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KVRAF
 
5983 posts since 20 Jan, 2008, from Down on the farm

Postby Numanoid; Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:28 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

FarleyCZ wrote:Glad he made it, good to se young EDM blood

So what is "old blood" EDM : Justin Bieber?
'Beware of people who dislike cats' [Irish proverb]
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KVRAF
 
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Postby Sendy; Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:28 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

It would be interesting to hear his take on piracy in an interview. I wonder if any interviewer would have the tenacity to ask him.
I can haz Electronic Music Stardom plox?

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KVRAF
 
2320 posts since 13 Jan, 2005, from Deutschland

Postby murnau; Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:33 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

real animals! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

:lol: really? who gives a shit? it's his problem if he use warez.
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KVRAF
 
10404 posts since 18 Oct, 2003, from Berlin, Germany
 

Postby Compyfox; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:03 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

chk071 wrote:Actually i wonder what it is with FM, that they continuosly show videos with artists using warez now. Either they don't watch their own videos (even when cutting them?), or they think this kind of controversy is good for their business. I suspect the latter, so basically FM is making money from showing this guy using warez, which is morally quite delicate too... either way: :shrug:


I think this has turned into a huge problem for all participants.

First and foremost, the magazine - which gives the impression "man, she show you some 'great musicians' but we actually don't give a funk about legality". Not a good reputation for the distributor (Future Publishing Limited, who also publishes Computer Music IIRC).

On the other hand, there is the musician, where the credibility lies at stake. Especially if this particular person has a moderate to huge income, and wants to be a role model to kids.

And third - the developer himself.


Unfortunately, the last party usually doesn't have the funds to sue both the magazine (for advertising cracked software - may it be on purpose or not) and the musician. Unless there is a powerful law company behind it (several German companies are covered on that behalf.

So the it's a stalemate.



The thing is... this all boils up the usual debates again, which is sooner or later being extinquished unfortunately.

I mean... if you want to use warez, that's your thing. Up until this day, I've barely seen anyone that is having a pure white vest, without a single stain. But that's like the fourth time now that a cracked version of software was spotted in a Future Music video? Seriously - what's the excuse this time? "Broken VSTi, and crack works better"? I can't confirm that.

Dumb people only let us users, that barely have any income and still try to support the developers in any possible way, bleed for others. And that is not okay IMO. Where to we small people get rewarded, or even "mentioned" on company pages with customer feedback (not talking about small companies here, but bigger ones that rely on their "reference posts")?

Especially at an age, where you can get on free stuff off of the web (Rekkerd, BPB, KVR, Gearslutz!). Which in turn, saves you money to actually buy things.

Even more reason to boycott this magazine, and the artist in question.


The sad thing is:
- we talk about it, so we do both promotion for the magazine and the artist in question
- there is one rep by Computer Music on this board, and even though it seems to be the same distributor (again, Future Publishing Limited), there won't be anything done about it.
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KVRAF
 
7375 posts since 12 Mar, 2012, from South Bavaria - near the alps... :-)

Postby Tricky-Loops; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:10 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Maybe I'm so poor because I use legal software? :?
KVRAF
 
17940 posts since 1 Oct, 2001, from England

Postby Kriminal; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:11 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Sendy wrote: I can't imagine someone like Four-tet or Mouse on Mars using craxicles, though.



Why?
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KVRAF
 
17940 posts since 1 Oct, 2001, from England

Postby Kriminal; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:12 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

Tricky-Loops wrote:Maybe I'm so poor because I use legal software? :?


Or a low income...
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KVRian
 
1056 posts since 14 Mar, 2013, from Germany

Postby CableChannel; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:14 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

So will Mr. Garrix get sued by Lennar now? Should be an easy case to win, shouldn't it?
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KVRian
 
896 posts since 9 Dec, 2011

Postby billcarroll; Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:16 pm Re: Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Gar

CableChannel wrote:So will Mr. Garrix get sued by Lennar now? Should be an easy case to win, shouldn't it?


I'd at least love to hear from Lennard about cracked copies of Sylenth appearing on Furture Music again and again. How has this affected his business?
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