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VST3: Is it worth supporting?

DSP, Plug-in and Host development discussion.

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KVRAF
 
8956 posts since 7 Dec, 2004, from Vancouver, Canada
 

Postby aciddose; Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:32 am Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

I think the idea was they wanted to implement a lowest-common-denominator capable of transporting communication between the plugin and host, while also capable of abstractly implementing the very same communication whether with MIDI, OSC, or various other interfaces which may replace midi at some time in the future.

Unfortunately what they got was indeed lowest common denominator, while they also pretty effectively messed it up and rendered it incapable of transporting anything, MIDI, OSC or otherwise.
KVRAF
 
3432 posts since 19 Jun, 2002

Postby tony tony chopper; Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:06 am Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

All I know is when I load a synth into FLS and try to use the mod wheel it has no effect. Restrictive.


call it "restrictive", but in FL you don't -need- a mod wheel to access modulation. You want your mod wheel to do modulation? Fine, you just link your mod wheel.. to the modulation (& you save it as a template if it bothers you to do it each time). You want your mod wheel to do something else, or I don't know, a joystick to do modulation? You can do it too.

Pitch bend is NOT hardlinked either in FL, only you didn't notice it because it's pre-linked by default.

Meanwhile, if someone is able to link a pad controller, a joystick or whatever to your synth, without you to have to write support for them, it's because the sequencer did the abstraction -for you-.
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KVRAF
 
6281 posts since 10 Oct, 2005, from Toronto, Canada
 

Postby AdmiralQuality; Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:34 pm Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

tony tony chopper wrote:
All I know is when I load a synth into FLS and try to use the mod wheel it has no effect. Restrictive.


call it "restrictive", but in FL you don't -need- a mod wheel to access modulation. You want your mod wheel to do modulation? Fine, you just link your mod wheel.. to the modulation (& you save it as a template if it bothers you to do it each time). You want your mod wheel to do something else, or I don't know, a joystick to do modulation? You can do it too.

Pitch bend is NOT hardlinked either in FL, only you didn't notice it because it's pre-linked by default.

Meanwhile, if someone is able to link a pad controller, a joystick or whatever to your synth, without you to have to write support for them, it's because the sequencer did the abstraction -for you-.


I want the host to be completely agnostic about it, and pass the MIDI unmolested to the plug-ins. The plug-ins model SYNTHS. SYNTHS speak MIDI. Q.E.D.
KVRAF
 
3432 posts since 19 Jun, 2002

Postby tony tony chopper; Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:52 pm Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

AdmiralQuality wrote:I want the host to be completely agnostic about it


Sadly for you, you need hosts a lot more than they need you. And host makers may care more about what the users want (or what they themselves want) than what you want.
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KVRAF
 
6281 posts since 10 Oct, 2005, from Toronto, Canada
 

Postby AdmiralQuality; Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:01 pm Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

tony tony chopper wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:I want the host to be completely agnostic about it


Sadly for you, you need hosts a lot more than they need you. And host makers may care more about what the users want (or what they themselves want) than what you want.


Just like Steinberg. "f**k you, you need us. We're the only game in town. Now suck it!"

And I AM a user. That's why I build these products, I use them and actually PLAY them. You know, like a musician?
KVRist
 
202 posts since 11 Feb, 2009, from Perú
 

Postby Tzarls; Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:03 pm Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

So, to summarize, it´s not worth supporting, but in the end you need to support it, right?
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KVRAF
 
8956 posts since 7 Dec, 2004, from Vancouver, Canada
 

Postby aciddose; Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:50 pm Re: VST3: Is it worth supporting?

What gave you that idea? If you believe you'll make a significant number of sales so as to justify the investment that may have what appears to be an obvious solution.

You need to consider however the deferred consequences of this: by needlessly popularizing such a format say if the plugin in question receives no functional benefit from the format, you will merely be ensuring that this additional cost is no longer optional in the future.

It will not always make sense to divide the market by 50/50 if you can instead grab 90% of it using a single format.

Taking the extra 10% may in future have unforeseen costs in excess of that 10%.
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