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Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

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KVRAF
 
2268 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Postby BBFG#; Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:52 am Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.
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Postby Karten; Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:24 am Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

BBFG# wrote:Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.
I don't think it's ever going to happen. Some artists refuse sell separate tracks because they think the album should be listened to as a whole.
In a similar manner, I'm sure the most popular soundbanks contain no fillers.
I can only speak from my experience but I can garantee there are no fillers in mine. If I don't really like a preset I've made, it gets ditched before making it into the bank. And that's partly why I don't release more of them.
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2268 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Postby BBFG#; Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:15 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

Karten wrote:
BBFG# wrote:Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.
I don't think it's ever going to happen. Some artists refuse sell separate tracks because they think the album should be listened to as a whole.
In a similar manner, I'm sure the most popular soundbanks contain no fillers.
I can only speak from my experience but I can garantee there are no fillers in mine. If I don't really like a preset I've made, it gets ditched before making it into the bank. And that's partly why I don't release more of them.


As I said, I usually get four out of a hundred of usable patches. Mainly because they are filled with EDM patches. It's like when Coke sells Dr. Pepper to the stores, but tells them for every case of DP to buy, you are required to buy four cases of Coke so we can truthfully tell the world Coke is our number one seller (to the retailer). So the argument being made here is that EDM sells more, but the truth is, many of us are stuck buying the crap patches (although I do understand that is what some people want) just to get the handful of decent and good patches in it. And most artists sell through iTunes & Amazon individual songs. Beyonce just tried selling all or nothing and it may or may not work for her. Most sound designers don't have the same pull as Beyonce though. (Unless you can get Jordan or Hans to endorse it). ;)
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KVRAF
 
2543 posts since 15 Sep, 2005, from Connecticut, USA

Postby Examigan; Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:15 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

It would be interesting to hear what Nori Ubukata would program for Sylenth1. A whole bank of prog-rock influenced sounds would be nice for a change.
KVRAF
 
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Postby highkoo; Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:46 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

Would any of the sound designers turning a profit describe any of their work as "ghost writing"?
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245 posts since 26 Feb, 2013, from Sweden
  

Postby liv; Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:54 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

BBFG# wrote:Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.


I am planning a release of Leap Into The Void Massive unlimited as separate downloads apart from the subscription which includes the complete collection and future "Clusters" (as I call them). Every cluster contains roughly 10-20 presets and have a specific focus, technique or style etc. As the Massive unlimited collection grows this more and more became an obvious alternative that will be launched eventually.
Wether it's a good solution or bad, time will tell. For this specific collection though, it is sort of already pre-made and I can only see a good thing coming out of it.
Enchantment Of Absynth Vol. 2 - Omniscience and suggestive potions. 150 sounds for Absynth.
KVRAF
 
2268 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Postby BBFG#; Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:27 am Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

Why not sell individual patches with minor break points at certain quantities?
Then a designer would accurately know the sounds that sell and the ones that don't.
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KVRAF
 
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Postby aciddose; Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:54 am Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

It's all with the assumption lower prices + increased sales = better profits, which is definitely not something to be confident about.

The only thing you can be relatively confident is increased customer satisfaction, which may lead to sales and may not.
KVRAF
 
7027 posts since 19 Feb, 2004, from Paris
 

Postby Lotuzia; Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:58 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

liv wrote:
BBFG# wrote:Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.


I am planning a release of Leap Into The Void Massive unlimited as separate downloads apart from the subscription which includes the complete collection and future "Clusters" (as I call them). Every cluster contains roughly 10-20 presets and have a specific focus, technique or style etc. As the Massive unlimited collection grows this more and more became an obvious alternative that will be launched eventually.
Wether it's a good solution or bad, time will tell. For this specific collection though, it is sort of already pre-made and I can only see a good thing coming out of it.


I wish you all the best with this approach. I've tried it several times, like for example with our Korg Monopoly Grand Bundle ( 400 presets ), that I have splitted in 5 themathic banks.

Less than 6% of our customers choose to purchase one or several thematic banks. Otoh hundreds of people did get the Monopoly Grand Bundle. This invalidates the choice, at least for me, for even smaller soundsets, not counting the fact that with paypal or similar systems minimal fees per sale, it's not worth the trouble for micro commands ( You could even loose money when selling something at the extreme )

Thats the point with our users : Usually they want ALL our patches for a certain synth :oops: Thanks to them :hail:
www.lelotusbleu.fr Soundbanks for Vsti

5000+ exclusive presets for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there [Xils-Lab Team]
KVRAF
 
7027 posts since 19 Feb, 2004, from Paris
 

Postby Lotuzia; Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:59 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

aciddose wrote:It's all with the assumption lower prices + increased sales = better profits, which is definitely not something to be confident about.

The only thing you can be relatively confident is increased customer satisfaction, which may lead to sales and may not.


Exactly this : There's no mass market for VSTI themselves. And therefore even less with soundsets for VSTI. Only solution is the satisfaction of your users.
www.lelotusbleu.fr Soundbanks for Vsti

5000+ exclusive presets for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there [Xils-Lab Team]
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KVRist
 
245 posts since 26 Feb, 2013, from Sweden
  

Postby liv; Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:01 pm Re: Commercial soundsets...always Massive and Sylenth...

Lotuzia wrote:
liv wrote:
BBFG# wrote:Sound designers would sell more and we would get a more accurate view of the market if they all went to selling sounds ala carte, as with an iTune/Amazon way of selling - individual patches. Then we wouldn't have to fill up a bank with 96 underwhelming EDM patches to get the three or four they did well.


I am planning a release of Leap Into The Void Massive unlimited as separate downloads apart from the subscription which includes the complete collection and future "Clusters" (as I call them). Every cluster contains roughly 10-20 presets and have a specific focus, technique or style etc. As the Massive unlimited collection grows this more and more became an obvious alternative that will be launched eventually.
Wether it's a good solution or bad, time will tell. For this specific collection though, it is sort of already pre-made and I can only see a good thing coming out of it.


I wish you all the best with this approach. I've tried it several times, like for example with our Korg Monopoly Grand Bundle ( 400 presets ), that I have splitted in 5 themathic banks.

Less than 6% of our customers choose to purchase one or several thematic banks. Otoh hundreds of people did get the Monopoly Grand Bundle. This invalidates the choice, at least for me, for even smaller soundsets, not counting the fact that with paypal or similar systems minimal fees per sale, it's not worth the trouble for micro commands ( You could even loose money when selling something at the extreme )

Thats the point with our users : Usually they want ALL our patches for a certain synth :oops: Thanks to them :hail:


Thanks for the heads up and for sharing your experience. :tu:
Enchantment Of Absynth Vol. 2 - Omniscience and suggestive potions. 150 sounds for Absynth.
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