TheoM wrote:The only thing I haven't (obviously) tested is bitwig.
As a purely practical matter I kinda tend to doubt that.
I say that in a non-offensive way, but it seems near impossible for anyone without a lot of time and resources and money to actually do that... fully test every single audio workstation.
I always take comments like that to mean... "I've tested everything I could actually get my hands on, mostly the things KVR cares about, things that have demos and/or things I already own."
I hope you realize for me to be saying something so positive about it means that I am really meaning what I am saying.
I know you aren't being intentionally misleading. But I also think - in general - most of this kind stuff is ... kinda silly unless it's framed into a reasonable context.
I mean, Gargageband never really crashes either. That doesn't make it the most stable daw in the world. It only means for it's most typical and somewhat limited use cases it's very stable. It you tried to use it like PTHDx, recording and punching 48 tracks at a time while feeding 18 pairs of phones with FX on every cue, it might not be so stable.
Of course, most people making those claims don't even have that much I/O.
Same goes for Reason and Mixcraft. Most of the people making those kinds of determinations aren't doing enough with it to even make those claims. What they're really saying (the real meaning) is... "For how I personally use it, it's really stable."
It's kinda obvious that even though all of these products are - audio workstations - most of the testing is with virtual instruments, not really tons and tons of audio files? That's the first thing I did with Tracktion 5, loaded up 65 audio stems. It didn't do so well.
You're wrong this time mate, and I know precisely how to torture test a DAW and spend much of my time (torturing myself
I can't think of a host i haven't tested with. PT, N Track both OS, Samplitude, Renoise, Mixcraft, Sonar, Logic, Cubase, S1, Band in a Box, Reaper, Live, FL, Orion, Reason, Logic, GB, DP8, Metro, Nuendo (at a friends legit setup),Tracktion, and even PT HD at the same guy's place (very stable). Wavelab, acoustica, Soundtrack, Waveburner, Audacity (most unstable 2 track around for me), Sound Forge. etc
and i still haven't covered the list as that is only what I can remember from my head. I test every single thing the moment it is released, like I will with Bitwig. Everything that makes the news at KVR that is.
Ok so just to be totally PC, it might not be every single piece of software in existence but I think having tested everything that people talk about here is a good enough representation.
And every host that used AU, VST, AAX and RTAS is susceptible to instabilities depending on the combination and instance amount of plugins used. I have made every single host above crash multiple times (some ALOT more than others), but I consider Logic to be among the "more stable".
Reason doesn't have these issues and one would argue it's plug in list is now extensive enough to be a major player. RE go through a quality control that VST and AU simply don't (cause they logistically can't).. the benefit of what i still consider a closed system.
You can disagree, that's your right.
But i stand by my post.. I am trying to help the OP. if he wants to turn his PC on, load his host and work all day and night and consistently without crashes, reason will give that to him. (note, my reason testing was far more vigorous on OSX but i didn't have any problems in Win7 either). He wants it to JUST WORK. I gave him a suggestion.