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The problem with ST:Voyager...

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Postby trimph1; Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:28 pm Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

vurt wrote:ca we do dr who next and how he had no right to keep wiping out the daleks. genocidal madman!


:hyper: :hyper:
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Postby whyterabbyt; Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:41 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

So the problem with st:voyager that's been identified is that some people take lightweight science fiction far too f**king seriously, right?

Meanwhile I'll be posting my thesis on why Lexx is the most singularly audacious attempt to revive the Cathar heresy ever, with particular reference to 790 as the Head of Baphomet. Jacques du Molay, thou art avenged.
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Postby HordePrime; Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:32 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

whyterabbyt wrote:So the problem with st:voyager that's been identified is that some people take lightweight science fiction far too f**king seriously, right?


No, the problem is people expect a certain level of quality (and sophistication) from a sci-fi show, a Star Trek one in particular, and Voyager consistently failed to deliver.

If all you want is a quick mindless bit of stupidity, there are much easier ways of doing it - go watch Pokemon or something.

Put simply, the problem with Voyager was that it just wasn't that good!
(And the contrast was even more noticeable at the time when compared with the concurrently ran DS9, or even other sci-fi shows such as Babylon 5).
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KVRAF
 
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Postby chk071; Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:41 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

HordePrime wrote:No, the problem is people expect a certain level of quality (and sophistication) from a sci-fi show, a Star Trek one in particular, and Voyager consistently failed to deliver.

Ok, so you didn't like it, fair enough. No need to make false declarations then though. :P For instance, people don't really expect a certain level of quality, otherwise a series like Enterprise wouldn't have been cancelled after 4 seasons, and series like Stargate would not be so popular. I mean Stargate's demand is really very low level. I even would go so far as to say, that people nowadays are less and less demanding. Some nice pictures, some impressive action, and they will be pretty happy.
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Postby T-CM11; Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:34 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

chk071 wrote:people don't really expect a certain level of quality, otherwise a series like Enterprise wouldn't have been cancelled after 4 seasons, and series like Stargate would not be so popular.

Are you saying Enterprise was good and Stargate was bad? :lol:
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Postby Zombie Queen; Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:48 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:people don't really expect a certain level of quality, otherwise a series like Enterprise wouldn't have been cancelled after 4 seasons, and series like Stargate would not be so popular.

Are you saying Enterprise was good and Stargate was bad? :lol:


Yep, this is why Firefly only lasted 1 short season.
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Postby T-CM11; Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:56 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

Zombie Queen wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:people don't really expect a certain level of quality, otherwise a series like Enterprise wouldn't have been cancelled after 4 seasons, and series like Stargate would not be so popular.

Are you saying Enterprise was good and Stargate was bad? :lol:


Yep, this is why Firefly only lasted 1 short season.

The first 2 seasons of Enterprise were terrible, 3rd season was cool, 4th season was ok, but felt like they were preparing for cancellation.
Stargate SG1: First season was meh, but I loved everything else. There was some great dry humor in the series, especially thanks to RD Anderson. Atlantis was ok, but with many weak episodes, often featuring 'the natives'. Universe was just plain bad, but I still wanted to see it resolved, and not ending with a cliffhanger...
Cancelling Firefly was just a crime! :evil:
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Postby osiris; Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:25 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

Firefly was crap. An old west town BUT with holographic windows! That actually break when people get thrown through them. Right. Also, that whole train episode was ripped off from a Nintendo Star Wars game.
I did like Serenity.
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KVRAF
 
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Postby osiris; Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:26 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

The sin was canceling Defying Gravity.
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Postby vurt; Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:32 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

its all shit designed to keep spotty nerds from breeding. and from the last convention i went to seems to be working fairly well, needs a few minor improvements though.
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Postby HordePrime; Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:55 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

Enterprise was utter rubbish from start to finish. The surprise there is that it wasn't cancelled a lot earlier.

And if hadn't been a "Star Trek" show (even if not initially titled as such), it almost certainly would have been. In fact, it never would have got a green light in the first place.

They only just scraped 4 seasons because they needed 100 episodes for syndication.

No matter how bad Voyager was, at least it was never as bad as Enterprise.

The biggest sci-fi crime of them all was cancelling/abandoning Crusade (the B5 spinoff). (Please don't tell me the background, I already know it all).

chk071 wrote:Some nice pictures, some impressive action, and they will be pretty happy.


Yep, this pretty much explains the Abrams Star Trek reboot films.
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KVRAF
 
2774 posts since 10 Apr, 2010, from Germany

Postby chk071; Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:01 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:people don't really expect a certain level of quality, otherwise a series like Enterprise wouldn't have been cancelled after 4 seasons, and series like Stargate would not be so popular.

Are you saying Enterprise was good and Stargate was bad? :lol:

Well, i won't argue with you about taste now. :) But concerning the demand, Stargate is definitely a couple of levels below any series of Star Trek. I mean you hardly have to use your head at all, which of course is quite positive for the average TV watcher. And if you want to hear my opinion, then i would say that Stargate is bad. :P But each to its like. Funnily i found Stargate Universe to be quite decent as the only series, but i guess that's because i'm just not the usual Stargate target audience, because it seems most of the fans didn't like it when it was cancelled.
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Postby whyterabbyt; Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:04 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

HordePrime wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:So the problem with st:voyager that's been identified is that some people take lightweight science fiction far too f**king seriously, right?


No, the problem is people expect a certain level of quality (and sophistication) from a sci-fi show, a Star Trek one in particular


bwahahahaha. in yer wildest, bucko.

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Postby vurt; Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:08 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

HordePrime wrote:Enterprise was utter rubbish from start to finish. The surprise there is that it wasn't cancelled a lot earlier.

And if hadn't been a "Star Trek" show (even if not initially titled as such), it almost certainly would have been. In fact, it never would have got a green light in the first place.

They only just scraped 4 seasons because they needed 100 episodes for syndication.

No matter how bad Voyager was, at least it was never as bad as Enterprise.

The biggest sci-fi crime of them all was cancelling/abandoning Crusade (the B5 spinoff). (Please don't tell me the background, I already know it all).

chk071 wrote:Some nice pictures, some impressive action, and they will be pretty happy.


Yep, this pretty much explains the Abrams Star Trek reboot films.



babylon5 is a big pile of shit!
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KVRian
 
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Postby T-CM11; Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:29 am Re: The problem with ST:Voyager...

vurt wrote:its all shit designed to keep spotty nerds from breeding.

So you're saying it's important. 8)

Now all we need is a way to stop everyone else from breeding... :D
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