fmr wrote: datroof wrote: JumpingJackFlash wrote:
datroof wrote:He's obviously in the ballpark, has a basic understanding of what he's talking about, and his question seems fairly clear. Easiest path to understanding is to give an answer that he can understand and use.
Really? Sorry, but you don't reach "understanding" by glossing over misunderstandings (viz. modes and keys).
Well, you can probably surmise from my previous posts that I consider some of that to be outdated dogma, and some to be beyond the scope of the OP's question, which doesn't really help anyone except maybe you.
Problem is that it's you that are "outdated" while thinking you are advanced. You call "dogma" understanding things, because you like to "experiment". It's like reinventing the wheel. But whatever, if you feel great achieving something out of luck in a trial and error basis, be my guest.
It would be much simpler by really "studying" (you know - that thing grownups usually do, in order to progress). Maybe you would understand the "dogma" and realize it is what it is for a reason - no dogma at all, simply knowledge, which is something more and more people seem to dispise, because they think ignorance brings them "creativity".
"It's a kind of magic", I guess
Cute. I guess you missed earlier in the thread where I mentioned that I do understand the dogma, and have had plenty of music education. Your attempt to paint me as anti-intellectual is about as far from the mark as could be. I encourage people to study as much as they can, never stop learning, etc. But also, on your path, try to tune your noise-filter, because there's plenty of it out there.
If you're answering a question from, let's say, a first year theory student, what good does it do to answer them with jargon from 3rd year theory? It might make you feel warm & fuzzy about yourself, but doesn't help the student much. So, I question how much of the semantic dogma is/was necessary to answer the question.
I first learned how to use modes in my early teens, from a jazz bassist that I was studying with. He gave me a great foundation, everything I needed to know. But he never talked about whether or not D dorian is 'in' C major, etc., (for our purposes, yes, D dorian was in C major, and that was not a problem). That information would not have been useful to me whatsoever. I learned that stuff later, in college, but I don't think it has added one iota to my understanding of, or ability to use modes. Is that info "outdated"? Hmm, I don't know, or really care. But is it useful? Apparently to some people, but not to me, and fwiw, not to most professional musicians I know (who aren't also teachers/academics
). The individual needs to decide what works for them, what to absorb and what to discard, what's useful and what's superfluous, etc.