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The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

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KVRAF
 
7197 posts since 3 Feb, 2003, from Finland, Espoo

Postby bmanic; Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:59 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

Anybody tried this on a windows 8.1 touch screen device? If it's CPU light enough then Bitwig studio could be awesome on these windows touch screen tablet things that are popping up everywhere.

Cheers!
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KVRist
 
314 posts since 24 Feb, 2008

Postby sl1914; Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:22 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

I haven't tested it with Bitwig, but IMO SW needs to be redesigned for touch screens.
Many things that work well with mouse and keyboard do NOT work well with touch.
You need to leave more space for UI items because your finger tip is much less accurate than mouse pointer.
etc.
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KVRAF
 
7197 posts since 3 Feb, 2003, from Finland, Espoo

Postby bmanic; Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:17 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

Well I've been using both Maschine and FL Studio just fine with a touch screen. That's why I'm asking.

Sure, there are compromises to be made but they are much smaller than you might think. FL Studio already supports pinch to zoom for instance and it works brilliantly.

For Maschine the touch screen is mainly a supplement to the controller and as such it works brilliantly.

Anyhow, was just curious if it works at all.. Personally I think it's very short sighted if they haven't taken touch screens into consideration. They will be very much the norm in the not too distant future. Heck, it's almost difficult to find a laptop now that doesn't have a touch screen so not using this feature is a bit of a shame really, if that's the case.
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KVRist
 
314 posts since 24 Feb, 2008

Postby sl1914; Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:27 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

I tried Ableton Live in a Windows8 laptop with touch screen and I like using it with mouse much more.
Surely touch screens are very good for some uses like allowing several X/Y-pad areas etc.
I've tried such midi controller SW in a tablet and it was quite nice.
But for most computer use I prefer keyboard and mouse.
KVRAF
 
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Postby pdxindy; Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:05 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

I also prefer using the mouse and hotkeys...

I find touch screens somewhat clumsy and they frequently don't do what I want on the first try. If I am 'grabbing' a control, there is no tactile feedback that I am actually engaging the control the way I wish. I found touch screens to demand more mental attention to make sure I am actually doing what I intend due to the lack of precision. And they suck when you want to type something like a track name.
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KVRist
 
405 posts since 21 Mar, 2010, from Manchester UK
 

Postby kennyda; Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:10 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

I would say for DAWs, keyboard rules, trackpad second, mouse is in the bin and touchscreen, well, no idea how I would use one. I have a little 7 inch tablet, it's not bad for reading the Bitwig manual in bed. The funny thing is though, when I do that, I turn the pages with a keyboard!
Studio One, OS X 10.0, M-Audio Oxygen 25 keyboard.
Old websites:
http://www.bitwigtutorials.net Free Bitwig Studio tutorials
http://www.macableton.com Free Ableton Live and Mac tutorials.
KVRian
 
1068 posts since 18 Aug, 2009

Postby pc999; Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:14 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

kennyda wrote:I would say for DAWs, keyboard rules, trackpad second, mouse is in the bin and touchscreen, well, no idea how I would use one. I have a little 7 inch tablet, it's not bad for reading the Bitwig manual in bed. The funny thing is though, when I do that, I turn the pages with a keyboard!


I think you have free remote display apps (that put the pc screen in your tablet and let you control it) if you want to try it.

Not sure how they are called but if you try them please post some impressions I would really like to know how they work.
KVRist
 
231 posts since 22 Aug, 2011

Postby virtualmark; Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:47 pm Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

kennyda wrote:I would say for DAWs, keyboard rules, trackpad second, mouse is in the bin and touchscreen, well, no idea how I would use one. I have a little 7 inch tablet, it's not bad for reading the Bitwig manual in bed. The funny thing is though, when I do that, I turn the pages with a keyboard!


Mouse in the bin? A mouse is far superior to a touchpad, as it allows you to control cursor position and several buttons with one hand. You can't do that on a touchpad.
KVRist
 
311 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Postby tooneba; Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:43 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

inb4 lawsuit....
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KVRist
 
405 posts since 21 Mar, 2010, from Manchester UK
 

Postby kennyda; Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:51 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

virtualmark wrote:
kennyda wrote:I would say for DAWs, keyboard rules, trackpad second, mouse is in the bin and touchscreen, well, no idea how I would use one. I have a little 7 inch tablet, it's not bad for reading the Bitwig manual in bed. The funny thing is though, when I do that, I turn the pages with a keyboard!


Mouse in the bin? A mouse is far superior to a touchpad, as it allows you to control cursor position and several buttons with one hand. You can't do that on a touchpad.


what sort of buttons?
Studio One, OS X 10.0, M-Audio Oxygen 25 keyboard.
Old websites:
http://www.bitwigtutorials.net Free Bitwig Studio tutorials
http://www.macableton.com Free Ableton Live and Mac tutorials.
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KVRist
 
405 posts since 21 Mar, 2010, from Manchester UK
 

Postby kennyda; Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:55 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

pc999 wrote:
kennyda wrote:I would say for DAWs, keyboard rules, trackpad second, mouse is in the bin and touchscreen, well, no idea how I would use one. I have a little 7 inch tablet, it's not bad for reading the Bitwig manual in bed. The funny thing is though, when I do that, I turn the pages with a keyboard!


I think you have free remote display apps (that put the pc screen in your tablet and let you control it) if you want to try it.

Not sure how they are called but if you try them please post some impressions I would really like to know how they work.


You mean like Touchable? It's not for me. I can see they might be useful for some people. My eyes are quite bad so I need a big screen.
Studio One, OS X 10.0, M-Audio Oxygen 25 keyboard.
Old websites:
http://www.bitwigtutorials.net Free Bitwig Studio tutorials
http://www.macableton.com Free Ableton Live and Mac tutorials.
KVRist
 
311 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Postby tooneba; Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:03 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

touchpad is one of the worst HUD in the history. comparing with mouse is a joke I know. mouse is one of the best invention in the history.
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KVRist
 
254 posts since 28 Aug, 2013

Postby Regnas; Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:44 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

kennyda wrote:
Regnas wrote:... And how is Bitwig on CPU, friendly or foe?


Seems ok, but have you got a specific test?

Nothing specific in mind.
But I would like to know if I can run Bitwig on a low-end PC.
KVRer
 
13 posts since 4 Jan, 2010

Postby hokkaido; Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:04 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

So, I read that Bitwig doesn't support multiple VST outputs. Does anyone know whether there is a plan to support it, and a date for it?

I own an NI Maschine and a couple of VST plugs with multiple outputs and the this will prevent me from buying Bitwig. A shame because it looks very amazing.

Another question, does anybody know whether Bitwig plays well with UAD cards and their latency?
KVRist
 
314 posts since 24 Feb, 2008

Postby sl1914; Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:32 am Re: The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

I saw a screenshot about selecting tags when saving presets. Can some beta tester tell whether those tags are fixed or user definable?
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