Sorry I don't know how to use the quote feature properly.
The sounds of the 808 and 909 continue to be used in contemporary music right now...from techno to bass to trap to hip-hop.
Who in this thread do you think doesn't know that?
Well, quite frankly from your posts in this thread, you.
I see, so below you ask me if I've had my hands on one, I have, but you haven't. I suppose you've never had your hands on originals either?
Actually, I have had a hands on with both the TR8 and the original 808. I didn't have a chance to go through all the features, but I got a good idea of what it could be capable of.
"There have been fantastic emulations for years, this box is nothing special. "
That's your opinion.
From all accounts from expert reviewers that I've seen, the TR8 is arguably the most authentic emulation of the 808 and 909 they've heard. Check out the review in Sound On Sound Magazine for 1 example.http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr14/articles/roland-tr8-rhythm-performer.htm
This is only the intro to the article, but it gives you a fair idea.
From memory, the unit sounds quite authentic to me, that's backed up by AB comparisons on Youtube.
Either way, it's close enough not to matter. However, I'm guessing your issue with this product is not with the sound, but with the control features, and the fact it's digital.
I'm guessing that part of your argument is that you're questioning the necessity for an outboard digital emulation with the TR8's control feature set. Is this correct?
IMO the features that are present on the unit make a fantastic option for integration into a live performance rig.
You asked earlier about who would play live with a drum machine these days like it's 1999? Who played live ,exclusively, with a drum machine in 1999, or ever? Very few. The drum machine would form part of the live rig. The TR8 can be used in this way.The TR8 also enables integration with a pc if that's what the user wants. Being digital is a plus here. Also the unit would free up power on the host pc's cpu.
"I bet money that you can't tell the difference between a real 909 and a sample"
- well ,from this statement, there's really no point in bringing out outboard analogue gear at all. If samples sound the same, then companies like DSI ,Elektron and Moog are producing items which sound the same as samples of their products. We should all just lug around pcs everywhere to play live with midi controllers, and take our chances with reliability.
From what I can gather from your posts in this thread- you're arguing that everything the Aira offers can be done in the box with midi controllers. If this is correct, then I say you get the best of both worlds with this thing. You can integrate with additonal gear to expand functionality if you so desire. On the other hand, you get a huge amount of possibilities if you want to play this thing on its own.
Either way, you get a great sound source ,midi controller, and performance machine.
It seems like you're the perfect consumer.
Mate, if you can't see the value in a product like this, doesn't mean that a great many others are the same. You spend your money how you like, and I'll do the same.
Seriously, you're trying to tell me about Hawtin? For real dude? When was the last time that you saw Hawtin play live? What does he play? He hasn't used a 909 for a long time. These days it's all about, wait for it, Traktor and Machine. I saw him on a recent tour and his style has gone far beyond what you can do tweaking a 909.
I lived in Detroit about half of the last decade, I say Hawtin play live on numerous occasions. I've been a fan for decades. I have the vast majority of his catalog, twice, once on CD for listening, and once (or more) on vinyl for playing. My live style was clearly influenced by Hawtin and I've played minimal sets with 909+777 and effects. I get how people use this kind of drum machine in a live setting because I've seen them do it, I've done it, and I know what they've moved on to.
Yeah, you're a real hero.
I wonder how many other people who can make a similar statment will
want/buy one of these machines? Hundreds? Thousands?
PS- I'm talking about his Plastikman sets, not his DJ sets.
he doesn't use the original boxes live. He uses samples with a pc with Ableton and controllers. Does this mean he won't consider using Aira as a source in the future? These products are perfect for integration into his setup.
If you know him so well, then find out from him if he won't use any of these products in his productions in some capacity in the future. While you're at it, confirm for us that these products won't be used by a great many of todays famous
(or not) recording pop/hip-hop/rnb/techno/house/electronic/dance music artists either.
Your statement that the Aira will only appeal to those who want to play live with a drum machine like it's 1999, or ravers from the early 90's is highly presumptuous, simply absurd, and a little insulting.
It appeals to me, and I don't play live.
I just posted a video of a person making Trap music with this thing.
RnB, Trap, Hip-Hop, Pop- these are the big money making genres in music today. You seriously think these producers aren't going to shell out a bit of pocket change for something with this sound and functionality to incorporate into their productions? C'mon, tell me you know that for a fact.
Whether u use this thing live as part of a larger setup, or in the studio as a sound source, it's a no brainer for artists like these who's sound owes a great deal to those original boxes.
You said earlier that people pay stupid money for second hand units of the originals as collector's items. I think that's wrong in a great many cases. You think these people aren't going to use them to make music? I know someone who paid thousands for an 808 online. He releases music using this unit.
Ok, so the feature set doesn't meet all your
needs. What stand-alone unit does? Push?? That costs $600-$700 USD- and that only comes with Live Intro. Maschine? That's $600, no faders...and oh,they're not stand-alone. You need a computer and an audio interface to make a noise.
What do you expect for a unit costing around $500?
Consider what you are
getting for this money-
1. By all accounts- the best ever (or close to it) emulation of the 2 most coveted drum machines in history- and more to follow.
2. Most of (if not all) of the functionality of those original units + more
3. An audio/midi interface.
4. Audio and midi streaming of it's audio via usb at 32/96.
5. A very capable midi controller with plenty of knobs and sliders for other uses.
6. Build quality- A simple midi controller with this sort of build quality and control set could potentially cost 1/2 to 2/3 of the price of this thing alone.
7. On-board fx which can be flexibly implemented.
8. Potentially the ability to perform or sequence tracks in a stand alone unit without a pc.
9. Better reliability in a live setting compared to using a pc.
10. Takes strain off your host computer's cpu if you wish to use it with one."If you want one, knock yourself out, but stop trying to tell me that I'm missing something when you don't have the experience yourself to understand my point of view"
By the same token, if you can't see the value in it, don't buy one. But don't label potential users/admirers of this product in with old ravers from the 90s who have misplaced nostalgia.
Personally I want to use it to make music that is very much of the present. The feature set meets my needs for what I want to use it for, and it seems like a fair price.
You're also being presumptuous and a bit insulting when you say I " don't have the experience
" to understand your point of view.
You have no idea how I make my music, or my experience with music-making, or how I want to use this product.
So you play live and this thing doesn't meet your needs. Doesn't mean others will be in the same boat.
You're entitled to your point of view, of course, as am I.
If you don't want to be critiqued on your opinions, don't post them in a public forum.