Waves L2 alternatives
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 489 posts since 6 Feb, 2010
Is there any good alternatives for waves L2 with similar interface?
I usually work so that I click and drag the button in the middle so that both the treshold and out ceiling sliders move simultaneously.
I find this the best workflow to evaluate if the limiting introduces undesired artifacts.
I know that Fabfilter Pro-L, Sonnox Oxford Limiter and Voxengo Elephant are pretty good but their UI is such that when you increase the amount of limiting (gain), the signal also gets louder. In my opinion it is more difficult to judge if there becomes undesired artefacts to the signal, when its level changes when you change limiting.
Or is it perhaps possible in some of these plugins to change a setting so that you have similar operation to L2...?
I usually work so that I click and drag the button in the middle so that both the treshold and out ceiling sliders move simultaneously.
I find this the best workflow to evaluate if the limiting introduces undesired artifacts.
I know that Fabfilter Pro-L, Sonnox Oxford Limiter and Voxengo Elephant are pretty good but their UI is such that when you increase the amount of limiting (gain), the signal also gets louder. In my opinion it is more difficult to judge if there becomes undesired artefacts to the signal, when its level changes when you change limiting.
Or is it perhaps possible in some of these plugins to change a setting so that you have similar operation to L2...?
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- KVRAF
- 14656 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
In terms of the Fabfilter Pro-L, I do remember that if you hold down the CTRL (IIRC) and then drag down the gain knob, it works like the L2 maximizer concept.
Please consult the tutorial videos for Pro-L by Dan Worral. I think he mentioned that.
Else... The only thing that came close to the L1/L2 software limiter, was George Yohng's W1.
Please consult the tutorial videos for Pro-L by Dan Worral. I think he mentioned that.
Else... The only thing that came close to the L1/L2 software limiter, was George Yohng's W1.
- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
try out barricade from toneboosters it has a monitor function to listen to the limiter operation without loudness gain. it's a transparent brickwall limiter you won't miss the L2 for sure.
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 3 Jan, 2012 from Alberta, Canada
AGREEED! +1murnau wrote:try out barricade from toneboosters it has a monitor function to listen to the limiter operation without loudness gain. it's a transparent brickwall limiter you won't miss the L2 for sure.
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- KVRian
- 656 posts since 25 Sep, 2010
With Pro-L, you hold down the Alt key while changing the gain slider. This causes the limit value to be adjusted by the same amount in the opposite direction. Very handy.
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- KVRian
- 1139 posts since 16 May, 2007 from At home. Good bye city ways!
No, nothing wrong with the L2 except maybe price. If you use it on the drum bus, guitar bus and lightly on vocals, you will immediately recognize the sonic characteristics from music you know from the radio. I can only assume that's also the case for electronic music.hibidy wrote:I'm bumping this to the OP.hibidy wrote:I have a question. Is there something wrong with the waves? It's on sale right now and I had considered it.
But on the master, I find Pro-L to be much more transparent as in it doesn't cover details with this excited-sounding high-mid color; it doesn't impart its own sound on everything as much.
Having tried the Toneboosters Barricade version that comes free wit CM magazine, I must say that Barricade works just as well on drums as L2, but it preserves the frequency balance better. So depending in your needs, you might want to try Barricade CM first.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Cool, thanks.
137 is still quite a bit higher than 89 so unless it's just the greatest limiter in the world, not sure if I want to spend that right now. I guess I should demo them. How long is the fabfilter price good for? (edit, till the 24th)
Cool, that will give me a good play. It will be interesting to see how pro l and the waves out do something like what I have (which considering how little I "master" has been sufficient so far)
137 is still quite a bit higher than 89 so unless it's just the greatest limiter in the world, not sure if I want to spend that right now. I guess I should demo them. How long is the fabfilter price good for? (edit, till the 24th)
Cool, that will give me a good play. It will be interesting to see how pro l and the waves out do something like what I have (which considering how little I "master" has been sufficient so far)
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
lolz, well that explains it then!
I have to say that for me, if I'm not going to get 20db increase in volume w/o any artifacts, aliasing, or distortion I'm going to be a tough sell
I have to say that for me, if I'm not going to get 20db increase in volume w/o any artifacts, aliasing, or distortion I'm going to be a tough sell
- KVRAF
- 2909 posts since 15 Feb, 2007 from ...in the butt
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- KVRAF
- 5193 posts since 6 May, 2002
I've been saying for a long time the L1 had the best GUI and functionality ever.golemus wrote: I know that Fabfilter Pro-L, Sonnox Oxford Limiter and Voxengo Elephant are pretty good but their UI is such that when you increase the amount of limiting (gain), the signal also gets louder. In my opinion it is more difficult to judge if there becomes undesired artefacts to the signal, when its level changes when you change limiting.
Or is it perhaps possible in some of these plugins to change a setting so that you have similar operation to L2...?
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:I would like to repeat, how many sliders do you need in Elephant4? It already offers a slider on the input gain meter. There is no slider handle, but it works just like a slider, and looks uncluttered - you see where the threshold is at exactly.electro wrote:GUI overhaul is not as small a consideration as you may think and sliders are better than knobs. Some capable people at the OBxd thread brainstormed and ended up donating a GUI.
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- KVRist
- 104 posts since 23 Apr, 2012
here's another vote for Barricade by Toneboosters, the new version is remarkably clean sounding.