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Waves L2 alternatives

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golemus
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Postby golemus; Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:17 pm Waves L2 alternatives

Is there any good alternatives for waves L2 with similar interface?

I usually work so that I click and drag the button in the middle so that both the treshold and out ceiling sliders move simultaneously.

I find this the best workflow to evaluate if the limiting introduces undesired artifacts.


I know that Fabfilter Pro-L, Sonnox Oxford Limiter and Voxengo Elephant are pretty good but their UI is such that when you increase the amount of limiting (gain), the signal also gets louder. In my opinion it is more difficult to judge if there becomes undesired artefacts to the signal, when its level changes when you change limiting.

Or is it perhaps possible in some of these plugins to change a setting so that you have similar operation to L2...?
Compyfox
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11210 posts since 18 Oct, 2003, from Berlin, Germany

Postby Compyfox; Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:28 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

In terms of the Fabfilter Pro-L, I do remember that if you hold down the CTRL (IIRC) and then drag down the gain knob, it works like the L2 maximizer concept.

Please consult the tutorial videos for Pro-L by Dan Worral. I think he mentioned that.


Else... The only thing that came close to the L1/L2 software limiter, was George Yohng's W1.
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murnau
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Postby murnau; Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:35 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

try out barricade from toneboosters it has a monitor function to listen to the limiter operation without loudness gain. it's a transparent brickwall limiter you won't miss the L2 for sure.
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Brother Charles
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Postby Brother Charles; Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:15 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

murnau wrote:try out barricade from toneboosters it has a monitor function to listen to the limiter operation without loudness gain. it's a transparent brickwall limiter you won't miss the L2 for sure.
AGREEED! +1
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bbaggins
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Postby bbaggins; Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:04 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

With Pro-L, you hold down the Alt key while changing the gain slider. This causes the limit value to be adjusted by the same amount in the opposite direction. Very handy.
hibidy
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Postby hibidy; Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:05 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

I have a question. Is there something wrong with the waves? It's on sale right now and I had considered it.
samsam
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Postby samsam; Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:22 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

Love my L2. Picked it up in a previous bargain sale and use it all the time. Does it colour stuff? Maybe I just like the colour.
hibidy
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Postby hibidy; Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:31 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

hibidy wrote:I have a question. Is there something wrong with the waves? It's on sale right now and I had considered it.


I'm bumping this to the OP.
medienhexer
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Postby medienhexer; Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:54 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

hibidy wrote:
hibidy wrote:I have a question. Is there something wrong with the waves? It's on sale right now and I had considered it.


I'm bumping this to the OP.

No, nothing wrong with the L2 except maybe price. If you use it on the drum bus, guitar bus and lightly on vocals, you will immediately recognize the sonic characteristics from music you know from the radio. I can only assume that's also the case for electronic music.

But on the master, I find Pro-L to be much more transparent as in it doesn't cover details with this excited-sounding high-mid color; it doesn't impart its own sound on everything as much.

Having tried the Toneboosters Barricade version that comes free wit CM magazine, I must say that Barricade works just as well on drums as L2, but it preserves the frequency balance better. So depending in your needs, you might want to try Barricade CM first.
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hibidy
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Postby hibidy; Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:09 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

Cool, thanks.

137 is still quite a bit higher than 89 so unless it's just the greatest limiter in the world, not sure if I want to spend that right now. I guess I should demo them. How long is the fabfilter price good for? (edit, till the 24th)

Cool, that will give me a good play. It will be interesting to see how pro l and the waves out do something like what I have (which considering how little I "master" has been sufficient so far)
TIMT
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Postby TIMT; Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:11 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

Anything would be better than the L2 so my recommendation is anything other than the L2 :)






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hibidy
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Postby hibidy; Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:44 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

lolz, well that explains it then!

I have to say that for me, if I'm not going to get 20db increase in volume w/o any artifacts, aliasing, or distortion I'm going to be a tough sell :D
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pattonfreak1
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Postby pattonfreak1; Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:13 am Re: Waves L2 alternatives

electro
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Postby electro; Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:34 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

golemus wrote:I know that Fabfilter Pro-L, Sonnox Oxford Limiter and Voxengo Elephant are pretty good but their UI is such that when you increase the amount of limiting (gain), the signal also gets louder. In my opinion it is more difficult to judge if there becomes undesired artefacts to the signal, when its level changes when you change limiting.

Or is it perhaps possible in some of these plugins to change a setting so that you have similar operation to L2...?


I've been saying for a long time the L1 had the best GUI and functionality ever.

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
electro wrote:GUI overhaul is not as small a consideration as you may think and sliders are better than knobs. Some capable people at the OBxd thread brainstormed and ended up donating a GUI.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=387568&start=795

I would like to repeat, how many sliders do you need in Elephant4? It already offers a slider on the input gain meter. There is no slider handle, but it works just like a slider, and looks uncluttered - you see where the threshold is at exactly.
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Mario-C.
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Postby Mario-C.; Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:33 pm Re: Waves L2 alternatives

here's another vote for Barricade by Toneboosters, the new version is remarkably clean sounding.
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