Uncle E wrote:
The hidden implication that is part and parcel with these types of threads and drives a lot of people to just spend money is that buying more gear will NECESSARILY improve mixes. I don't think so.
The reason you use analog synths is the same reason someone else uses whatever it is that they choose to use. I'm sure you could make perfectly acceptable music without your analog synths, does that mean they don't NECESSARILY improve the sound of your music? If not, why do you use them? Whatever your answer is, I'd wager that you enjoy making music more with them and that's enough of a reason in my book.
Hold the phone now, I use great analogue synths because I'm a consumer and I like to buy cool shit that's fun to play with. Ok, for every synth that I have there was some justification process about why I needed it and how it would improve my music. Some actually did, most were just a part of the lesson along the way and I'd love to go back in time and tell my old self what not to buy and what to buy in its place.
I'll tell you what I think that the most important lesson that I learned was, though, it's that new shit takes your time to learn so you have to be able to tell really quickly whether or not it's going to really do something for you. My MO these days is "I DON'T NEED IT", I already buy plenty of stuff because I want it so there's no point in trying to add a false "NEED" into the equation.
I was way more productive musically with a DX-21, a Seil DK-80 and an RX-21 than I am today. In fact, it was the quest for better drums that started the process and by the time the RX-21 became a 909 I'd spent $10K+ on various synths and started to learn the hard lesson that more shit means more time and money integrating it into your workflow.
Also, as Jancivil said, the other hidden implication is that if you can't mix with a DAW's built-in plugins, that's your limitation and not a limitation of the software. This is disingenuous, people who use better stuff DO have an easier time mixing and DO have an easier time sounding good.
No doubt, but now we're moving the bookends. It's a different question, I thought that the question was "can you", now you're changing it to "is it easier and more fun?"
A lot of good/great records have been made with very limited gear, especially EDM records.
Yes. However, the very best sounding EDM, IMO, such as VCMG and Daft Punk, was not. I don't think there's anything better sounding than the VCMG Project and that was the creme de la creme of analog synths mixed almost 100% through UAD plugins.
Again, you're moving the bookends, the question was "professional", not "best sounding", people have made "professional" recordings with pre-RE reason.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that you should think about your selection of tools and supplement where YOU need them, but I'm not buying for a second that everyone NEEDS more than what comes with their DAW.
Of course not. All I'm saying is that I wish I'd made better choices about how I worked when I was younger instead of trying to scrape by with the least I could get away with. It's an especially ridiculous stance to take these days when excellent plugins are so cheap. Look at the Elysia Mpressor, it's $79 right now and it's better than any DAW's built-in compressor that I've tried, plus it's flexible enough that it could almost serve as someone's only compressor. Even the plugins that come free with Computer Music are better than what's in most DAW's, why would you work so hard to sway people against using them?
The OP asked:
i foud only tutorials using generally Waves plugins.
So my question is : How did people used to do before there was these plugins? is it possible to make a correct and professional mix with the DAW's built in plugins?
That is the question that I answered. I think that the answer is still yes. If the OP had asked "Would I have more fun making music if I supplemented these plugins with others, but not necessarily waves?", I would have answered differently.
I would have suggested exactly what you're suggesting or what I've suggested before. Get a copy of CM magazine, start working, and then figure out if there are other things that would make it more fun. I think that Reaktor + Kontakt and the associated libraries justify Komplete for almost anyone making music ITB. I think that Diva is pretty much necessary for anyone who wants the best ITB analogue sound available today.
I picked up the Waves Transistor Bundle stuff as singles during the big sale last year purely because I wanted to try some waves stuff to see what all the fuss was about. I'm not running out to buy more waves stuff today, but I do use those plugins, I don't regret spending a few bucks on them. They are totally NOT necessary, however, and I don't even know if they really make things better, I just like them.