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Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

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jobi7
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14 posts since 31 May, 2012, from United States

Postby jobi7; Sat May 31, 2014 6:20 am Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

Thanks for posting your examples bigcat! I was interested in how well Blue does long A's and I's. Also,could you (or any one else) post an example of a scale with Solfege syllables? (Do (Doh) Re (or Ray) Mi (Mee), Fa (Fah), So (Soh), La (Lah), Ti (Tee), Do (Doh))

I would appreciate it!

Thanks,

jobi
bigcat1969
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545 posts since 30 Jul, 2013

Postby bigcat1969; Sat May 31, 2014 8:17 am Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

I hope this is what you wanted.
https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/doh-reh-mee-blue

Some of the long vowel problems exist and some are my lack of understanding. I didn't guess for a long time that 'eh' is quite often long 'a'. Long 'i's are a problem.

Just looked at "I once was lost" in Amazing Grace and I used 'ah' with 'eh' to get the long 'i'. In Studio One, I just make two midi notes back to back, sometimes shorting one to get the desired vowel sound. Sometimes it works better than others. I thought the long 'i' sounded decent, but the 'o' in now was a 'oh' and an 'ah' and didn't sound great.

I'm going to try to make a list of vowel sounds, how you make them and examples.
Some resources in this quest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong#English
http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/English_Phonetics
http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetic ... meset.html
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updog
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340 posts since 17 Aug, 2008

Postby updog; Sat May 31, 2014 11:22 am Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

Like what I'm hearing so far, but feel that some of the demos don't really seem to display too well what could have been achieved - ie. some of them sound like they could have been made with Realivox Ladies by articulation changes.

One problem still seems to persist as long as you're striving for as realistic vocals as you can; the time that it takes for the legato to transit to the next note is sometimes a little too fast to sound realistic. As a Ladies user, this has actually affected to how I write some of the vocal parts, in an attempt to sound as realistic as possible (obviously, this is in no way exclusive to the Ladies; I'm just anal about sounding realistic :D ). I think there should be more recorded alternate legato transitions in different lengths to retain realism.

Perhaps this could be addressed in a future update - or perhaps it's just too much to ask (for now) from a developer. I know Realitone isn't one of the big ones (hopefully that will change in the future!) so I know all this takes heaps of time to do. And after all, we couldn't possibly ask to replace the real singer yet!

At any rate, I'm looking forward to purchasing Realivox Blue and experiencing all of its possibilities on my own! After all, there were so many more uses for the Ladies than it ever actually said on the tin!
Musical Gym
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3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 11:59 am Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

whyterabbyt wrote:The Wordbuilder looks impressive from the video, but it seems to me that it might be useful to have an 'undo last syllable' button as well as a 'next syllable' one. Would mean you dont have to start a whole phrase from scratch if you mess part of it up...
agree
Musical Gym
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3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:02 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:Wow this is better than sex and almost as good as beer. ;P
Just one request any chance of an undo last consonant/vowel or last syllable button? I keep having to redo phrases as I mess up toward the end.

Well I think I'm learning sort of learning how to do it and yes I used 20 seconds of an old song that is all over youtube! Note this is just my little attempt and not necessarily approved, liked or tolerated by Realivox.

https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/blue-b-hill
Like it. You seem to have a good grasp on achieving pretty convincing words. I hope to get to that point, but haven't so far.
Musical Gym
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3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:08 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:One thing I'm discovering is that I need to play with the phrase on the keyboard and listen closely to the release samples. Some endings require virtually no space especially if syllables are being run together to make a word, others require what I think of as one beat and others two beats, even if in a word. Part of my problems with trailing 'd' and 'g' sounds is not giving them enough time to breath in the midi file. If you give too much time it can sound choppy, so kind of a balancing act.
So here are my first and second attempt at amazing Grace. In the second I gave more room, maybe slightly too much as it can be a bit choppy, but you can understand the words better.

https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/amazing-grace-blue

https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/amazi ... -version-2
Like the second one an octave down from the first. You even gave her a sort of Scottish/European accent! Nice. The separation into single, distinct notes of the two and three-tone single syllables sounds more like a keyboard than the smooth vowel transitions of a real a singer, but all in all, nice track.
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bigcat1969
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545 posts since 30 Jul, 2013

Postby bigcat1969; Sat May 31, 2014 12:09 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

OK working on the vowel sounds

https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/sets/ ... l-sounds-1

Notes to vowels
'ea't = 'ee'
'ei'ght = 'eh'
'a't = 'ah'
'i'nvite' = 'eh' (didn't work)
'e'xtra' = 'eh'
p'a'th = 'ah'
'u'nder = 'uh'
h'er'd = 'eh' (didn't work)
'a'sleep = 'ah'
farm'er' = oddly 'mm' then 'mm' 'r' for farmer and 'oh' with no 'r' for waterfall
dr'ew' = 'oo'
'o'ver = 'oh'
'aw'kward = 'ah'
f'oo't = 'oh'
'a'll = 'ah'
'ai'sle = 'ah' 'uh' on aisle, 'ah' 'eh' on mine
'oi'l = 'oh' 'eh'
'h'our = 'ah' 'oh' on hour, just a very long 'oh' on mouth
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Musical Gym
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3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:20 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:I hope this is what you wanted.
https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/doh-reh-mee-blue

Some of the long vowel problems exist and some are my lack of understanding. I didn't guess for a long time that 'eh' is quite often long 'a'. Long 'i's are a problem.

Just looked at "I once was lost" in Amazing Grace and I used 'ah' with 'eh' to get the long 'i'. In Studio One, I just make two midi notes back to back, sometimes shorting one to get the desired vowel sound. Sometimes it works better than others. I thought the long 'i' sounded decent, but the 'o' in now was a 'oh' and an 'ah' and didn't sound great.

I'm going to try to make a list of vowel sounds, how you make them and examples.
Some resources in this quest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong#English
http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/English_Phonetics
http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetic ... meset.html


I was wondering how to get the long I myself since once I chose the ah, then the eh was no longer available. I noted this in a previous post and requested that maybe all the buttons could remain enabled in order to get more choices. Looks like you need to do it in the DAW piano roll. I also use Studio One. Maybe we can eventually transfer some of the knowledge, tips and tricks to the Realitone forum. For now during product launch, more activity in this announcement thread will give Blue well-deserved attention for those new to the software.
Thanks for additional links.
Musical Gym
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3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:26 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

updog wrote:One problem still seems to persist as long as you're striving for as realistic vocals as you can; the time that it takes for the legato to transit to the next note is sometimes a little too fast to sound realistic.
I'm finding in Blue that the opposite is true, if I understand correctly. The time it takes to produce a second note after the first note sounds is noticeably delayed. Perhaps this condition is what Mike is addressing in his walk-through video where he move several notes in the piano roll ahead of the beat.
bigcat1969
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545 posts since 30 Jul, 2013

Postby bigcat1969; Sat May 31, 2014 12:28 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

I had to pull the best song fragment as someone complained. Aw well.
To combine most vowels you have to create a new syllable and then smush the two syllables together. Not sure how you do that live. One cool thing is you can change your last vowel just be pressing on the other vowel sounds before you make a new syllable. Not quite an undo but useful to know.
Watch in the DAW that you don't put the words too far apart or the phrase will start over.
Experimenting is your friend. For instance farmer was terrible until somehow I got the the 'far' sound on one syllable them hit 'mm' for the next and then 'mm' plus 'r' for the last.
It really needs soft and hard 'i's. Also some end sounds are way too soft. But beyond that it is working quite well.
As a stand alone word 'ah' 'eh' in two very short syllables smushed together is fine. This is good as you need to say the word 'I' a lot. Unfortunately it doesn't always interact well with other sounds. Sometimes 'ah' 'uh' will work.
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Musical Gym
KVRAF
 
3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:33 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:I had to pull the best song fragment as someone complained. Aw well.
copyright issue?
bigcat1969 wrote:To combine most vowels you have to create a new syllable and then smush the two syllables together. Not sure how you do that live. One cool thing is you can change your last vowel just be pressing on the other vowel sounds before you make a new syllable. Not quite an undo but useful to know.
Watch in the DAW that you don't put the words too far apart or the phrase will start over.
thanks
bigcat1969
KVRian
 
545 posts since 30 Jul, 2013

Postby bigcat1969; Sat May 31, 2014 12:38 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

Yeah you can usually get away with an older short song fragment that is only a small portion of a song. Maybe I pushed it at 20 seconds and about 1/8th of the song.
Oh I didn't know the company had its own message boards. Where are they at?
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Musical Gym
KVRAF
 
3408 posts since 23 May, 2004, from Northern Central CA (not as good as Eureka)

Postby Musical Gym; Sat May 31, 2014 12:41 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:Yeah you can usually get away with an older short song fragment that is only a small portion of a song. Maybe I pushed it at 20 seconds and about 1/8th of the song.
Oh I didn't know the company had its own message boards. Where are they at?
Realitone KVR Forum
Breeze
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1675 posts since 13 Oct, 2002

Postby Breeze; Sat May 31, 2014 12:47 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

This looks and sounds like very impressive work. I like the basic tone of the singer too.

The PDF manual seems unavailable on the website... One question: are the vowels looped for infinite sustain? And if not how long are held notes?
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jobi7
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14 posts since 31 May, 2012, from United States

Postby jobi7; Sat May 31, 2014 12:47 pm Re: Realivox Blue - Vocal Sample Instrument Released! And . . . On Sale!

bigcat1969 wrote:I hope this is what you wanted.
https://soundcloud.com/bigcat1969/doh-reh-mee-blue

Thanks bigcat! And thanks for your vowel experiments. All interesting.

Cheers,

jobi

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