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Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

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djshire
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384 posts since 10 Jun, 2011, from Detroit

Postby djshire; Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:02 am Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

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Breeze
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1611 posts since 13 Oct, 2002

Postby Breeze; Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:03 am Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

^^^ The desperation is palpable... ;0)
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MFXxx
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1967 posts since 27 Mar, 2010, from UK

Postby MFXxx; Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:38 am Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

... and inconsolable...
Rintrah roars & shakes his fires in the burdend air...
...nothing special just my noodles :
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Aaron Zilch
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2 posts since 31 May, 2013, from Los Angeles, CA

Postby Aaron Zilch; Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:09 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

toothnclaw wrote:
Especially the shhhh-shhhhhushing sounds hideous to this pair of ears. It actually drowns out the audio it's supposed to filter! And it doesn't sound like resonance but like pink noise!


It's supposedly to be a functionality demo…not a sound quality one. Those of us who have really spent the time to get to know The Drop ( and render at the high sample rates necessary with any plug to generate overdrive and frequency range modulation without aliasing ), know that the sound quality is truly unmatched for overdriven, high resonance, borderline abusive analog filtering. I was more spoiled than I realized in my early days of production ( didn't even realize we had an analog filter under the hood of our DW6000 ) and this plug has truly been a breakthrough for me to be able to create those sounds again. Even used lightly it's given me that pro sounding high end "sparkle" without harshness thats so difficult to achieve when working exclusively "in the box".

Haters gonna hate I guess. I think maybe some people just don't want to accept the processor hit that is truly necessary to achieve this level of quality…
VariKusBrainZ
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3549 posts since 16 Dec, 2002, from over there

Postby VariKusBrainZ; Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:52 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

Im feeling 8th July would be a great release date.

Notihing to do with it being my birthday and having the week off work to PLAY ;)
99.9%emptyspace
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22 posts since 31 Mar, 2014

Postby 99.9%emptyspace; Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:21 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

andy-cytomic wrote:Ok, finished the step sequencer and here is a little video showing off what it can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iXU6VdhK94



WOW :clap: Now that is a beautiful step sequencer. Huge talent from Andy, as always.
Simulant
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210 posts since 1 Apr, 2014

Postby Simulant; Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:08 am Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

So what's happening with this plugin? Last time I checked in there was going to be a new beta in a few weeks, yet it's still September 2013 for the last update. Is there going to be an updated demo soon? Or is it going to be released soon?

I see that modulation capabilities have been added, I think that's a great idea. It makes it into a complete filter tool that had far higher sound quality than other plugins. I'm just dying to try it out now though!
Simulant
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210 posts since 1 Apr, 2014

Postby Simulant; Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:30 am Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

andy-cytomic wrote:I have finished the last big job, which was re-coding the entire parameter system. In The Glue every process block I re-calculate every parameter since there are only a few, and the current version of The Drop I do this as well but there are so many parameters in The Drop so it is pretty wasteful of cpu. Now only when a change is made is any cpu used, which is much better.


Does this mean it'll use more CPU when automated? As the parameters will be constantly changing. I intend to use this plugin with a lot of automation so just wondered how it is affected by this change.
andy-cytomic
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1299 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:35 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

Aaron Zilch wrote:toothnclaw wrote:
Especially the shhhh-shhhhhushing sounds hideous to this pair of ears. It actually drowns out the audio it's supposed to filter! And it doesn't sound like resonance but like pink noise!


It's supposedly to be a functionality demo…not a sound quality one. Those of us who have really spent the time to get to know The Drop ( and render at the high sample rates necessary with any plug to generate overdrive and frequency range modulation without aliasing ), know that the sound quality is truly unmatched for overdriven, high resonance, borderline abusive analog filtering. I was more spoiled than I realized in my early days of production ( didn't even realize we had an analog filter under the hood of our DW6000 ) and this plug has truly been a breakthrough for me to be able to create those sounds again. Even used lightly it's given me that pro sounding high end "sparkle" without harshness thats so difficult to achieve when working exclusively "in the box".

Haters gonna hate I guess. I think maybe some people just don't want to accept the processor hit that is truly necessary to achieve this level of quality…


Yes I was really just trying to show the step sequencer and make the sweeps and stabbings obvious and exaggerated, it's not meant to be an example of how you would use it in a regular song situation.

Also the original audio is an MP3 from soundcloud, and then I'm processing it through a Ladder PRD which has a differential amplifier BJT input stage (tanh like waveshaper), so your whole signal gets distorted. In other models only the high passed version gets distorted since this is the signal the input of the differential BJT input sees because of local feedback. Then on top of that I didn't use oversampling, so this makes things a bit fizzy on the top end for the video, and then that is re-encoded with youtube's audio encoding. When I do proper audio examples for the web page I do them with the highest quality setting for audio encoding in the LAME encoder, which can only just keep up with the punishing frequency content generated by large amounts of self oscillation and fm in The Drop.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
andy-cytomic
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1299 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:36 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

99.9%emptyspace wrote:
andy-cytomic wrote:Ok, finished the step sequencer and here is a little video showing off what it can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iXU6VdhK94



WOW :clap: Now that is a beautiful step sequencer. Huge talent from Andy, as always.

Thanks!
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
ftech
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482 posts since 7 Oct, 2004, from Australia

Postby ftech; Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:47 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

Really looking forward to being able to use the sequencer.....looks like a load of fun!
camsr
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4510 posts since 16 Feb, 2005

Postby camsr; Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:55 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

andy-cytomic wrote:Ok, finished the step sequencer and here is a little video showing off what it can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iXU6VdhK94


This is VERY impressive!

And, OMG, prime numbers :oops:
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Sendy
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4369 posts since 20 Jul, 2010

Postby Sendy; Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:55 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

I was daydreaming the other day and I imagined that the next Cytomic plugin was called "The Fold" and was an analog modelled triple wavefolder. That's clever because, you know, the glue, the drop, the fold... see what I did there? When the thing happened with the words?
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andy-cytomic
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1299 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:16 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

Simulant wrote:
andy-cytomic wrote:I have finished the last big job, which was re-coding the entire parameter system. In The Glue every process block I re-calculate every parameter since there are only a few, and the current version of The Drop I do this as well but there are so many parameters in The Drop so it is pretty wasteful of cpu. Now only when a change is made is any cpu used, which is much better.


Does this mean it'll use more CPU when automated? As the parameters will be constantly changing. I intend to use this plugin with a lot of automation so just wondered how it is affected by this change.


It will use slightly more cpu when you automate parameters, but in the current plugin all parameters are calculated every block which uses lots more cpu. So the new system will lower that amount to zero when nothing is going on, and it will increase to around 1/8th of the current cpu when every parameter is automated.

There is minimal cpu overhead to process the smoothing, as it is all batched together with a very efficient algorithm, the current plugin doesn't batch the smoothing together so is nowhere near as efficient. There are 65 parameters that are smoothed, but in the new version only when they are automated will the smoothing be calculated. The other 52 parameters are buttons or mode selectors so don't require smoothing since they should be stepped.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
andy-cytomic
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1299 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:19 pm Re: Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

Simulant wrote:So what's happening with this plugin? Last time I checked in there was going to be a new beta in a few weeks, yet it's still September 2013 for the last update. Is there going to be an updated demo soon? Or is it going to be released soon?

I see that modulation capabilities have been added, I think that's a great idea. It makes it into a complete filter tool that had far higher sound quality than other plugins. I'm just dying to try it out now though!


I'm still putting together the update, it is basically a re-write of the entire plugin. When I have finished the final dsp and framework coding and it is just presets and packaging to go I will make an announcement for the release date.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
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