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Tips for fattening up layers.

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KVRist
 
46 posts since 6 Jul, 2014

Postby Any Good Username?; Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:46 am Tips for fattening up layers.

When i hear my song, it feels like something is missing.

Any tips for fattening up layers?
manducator
KVRAF
 
1651 posts since 10 Feb, 2007

Postby manducator; Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:46 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

Subtle delays, reverbs and chorus, parallel processed.

Less subtle; copy the midi to an octave higher or lower.
MKojo
KVRer
 
13 posts since 28 Jul, 2014

Postby MKojo; Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:33 pm Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

Increase the stereo width of the higher frequencies,this gives it more space.
keep the bass mono,for more punch.

With the individual sounds,you could have certain instruments play chords and others play individual notes,making the overall sound much bigger.
matchene
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2 posts since 18 Sep, 2013, from Buffalo, NY

Postby matchene; Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:27 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

something i especially enjoy doing with my tracks is finding what area of the frequency spectrum a specific part of my song is missing (use a notch filter and a spectrum analyzer, and move it around in your track until you find a "dead" area), and create a slightly quieter synth that plays either the chord progression, the melody, or even a counter point melody. another thing that tends to sound nice is layering either perfect 4ths or 5ths above and/or below the melody (use the same midi just transposed here), whichever one sounds the best is the one you should use.
Entropy Factory
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3 posts since 2 Aug, 2014, from Denver, CO

Postby Entropy Factory; Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:39 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

This might be obvious, but compression and/or saturation can both really beef up a track. Another good way to add beef is just to clone your synthesizer (assuming this is MIDI-based) and have it play the same thing, just adjust the waveforms a bit. Detuning can also make stuff sound huge.

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you're trying to layer.
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Codestation
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653 posts since 30 Dec, 2004, from betwixt

Postby Codestation; Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:41 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

:lol: Cool tip matchene! I used to be able to hear well enough to do this, but now I have to use spectrum analyzers. Old age... is a killer :lol:

I like to use mid side EQ and boost highs (or cut lows) only on side channel for a lot of things.

Double midi an octave higher, and another option is to actually play in left and right parts separately (manual double tracking) with slightly different sounds. Maybe.
ImNotDedYet
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149 posts since 19 Mar, 2014, from Denver, CO

Postby ImNotDedYet; Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:21 pm Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

If it's MIDI and not sample-based, duplicate the track and go into the synth that produced the sound. Modify the amp envelope and modulate filter cutoff/resonance, or just change some parameters within the oscillator/filter cutoff/resonance. Then mix the two tracks volume wise for the "main" to take focus and the "background sound" to sit in the back a bit.
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Inversoundzzz
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133 posts since 20 May, 2014

Postby Inversoundzzz; Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:44 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

random lfo pans
Tarekith
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396 posts since 20 Feb, 2005, from Seattle

Postby Tarekith; Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:14 pm Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

Sometimes it sounds counter-intuitive, but use less sounds. When everything is fighting each other for space, it's easy to blend it to the point of being one-dimensional. When you strip it back to the core sounds, you give each sound more space to take up, so you don't need to potentially EQ out so many conficts. Listen to the instrumentation in a lot of "big" tracks, often its not a lot.
PatchAdamz
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1759 posts since 12 Nov, 2012

Postby PatchAdamz; Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:21 pm Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

ARRANGEMENT is everything.

Don't think so much about doubling parts, think about adding parts that are tonally complimentary to other parts.

Example:

Add a guitar part that answers a "call and response" from another instrument.
Record it in a different range so the parts don't compete.

This allows you to fill in sections both tonally, lyrically and rhythmically.

Think outside the box but with the goal to "fill in" tonal ranges.
Liquiloops
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7 posts since 5 Aug, 2014, from Germany

Postby Liquiloops; Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:03 am Re: Tips for fattening up layers.

Sometimes it can be helpful to (i.e.) put a delay at the end of the verse that fades into a bridge or the chorus part and then slightly fades out. Or you can do a similar thing with a noise layer that plays along certain parts of your song, filtered in and out. I'm often hearing this in electronic music, where it gives me the feeling that there is something "going on" in that track. Try it, sometimes this will make a song sounding richer.

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