Wow! I agree with all the things you guys have been saying about Kurzweil synths, they're excellent.Shy wrote:Many limitations removed, much more flexibility and freedom, building your own patches (algorithms) with many more layers, much larger size and complexity possible, various additional processors, filters etc. In short, huge improvement.
Will there ever be any new hardware digital synths that aren't "virtual analog"?
- KVRAF
- 16341 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
- KVRian
- 1375 posts since 6 May, 2005 from Michigan, USA
The PE didn't do vector synthesis or wavetable scanning, so not really. It could make choppy discrete steps through the list of waveforms under sequencer control (more like Wavestation-esque wavesequencing), but not the kind of wave scans one usually associates with a PPG.Uncle E wrote:Poly Evolver wasn't good for that?Vectorman wrote:If you want a hybrid vector or full-fledged wavetable scanning synth with analog filters, you still have to buy something from 20 or 30 years ago instead of a new DSI.
I don't mean to sound like I'm ragging on DSI. That "came so close to a Prophet VS MKII and had it snatched away" feeling was just hard to get past for me. Given the synthesis types I have an affinity for, I'd probably be better off just going with a Solaris if I wanted to splurge on an upscale synth.
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New album, Chasing Fire, out now on Amazon, iTunes, etc.
Bandcamp: https://davidvector.bandcamp.com/releases
- KVRAF
- 16341 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
It's a beautiful thing. I love the Scope version but I think you really need all that DSP in the keyboard to get proper use out of it. A used one recently sold on eBay for close to new price so people do apparently appreciate what it's capable of.Vectorman wrote:Given the synthesis types I have an affinity for, I'd probably be better off just going with a Solaris if I wanted to splurge on an upscale synth.
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- KVRAF
- 5624 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Interesting. I can see how you arrive at that conclusion, but I'm not sure about it.Shy wrote:I especially love FM synths, but I don't consider them "not VA", because all the important synths that are referred to as such, are as fundamentally subtractive and analog synth inspired as it gets, with only two main differences - being a much (MUCH) more compact solution and having essentially perfect stability which is not feasible with analog implementations. But otherwise, hardly "not VA".
Perhaps, it could be said that FM synths take their inspiration from subtractive analog designs - to some degree - but the whole working method and the end result is very 'digital' in nature. There is nothing VA about the DX7 for example, at least in my understanding.
- KVRAF
- 9216 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Pequot Lakes, MN
- KVRAF
- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
Could someone explain kurzweil's VAST? I've never seen a sensible or meaningful explanation.
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- KVRAF
- 15514 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
It's really marketing for a somewhat flexible mostly subtractive, more west coast than east coast, synth architecture with a few tricks, e.g., some ability to do FM. The original K2K has a selection of blocks that you can select to process samples. In the simplest form you can use up to four blocks which are simple filters, wavefolders, etc. Some of the blocks were more complex than others and had more parameters, and some took more than one "block space." Some of the blocks added a waveform, e.g., a sine wave. You could create several (three IIRC) layers for most sounds. There were originally 31 "algorithms" for combining the four blocks in various sizes and series parallel arrangements. For example, one block might feed the sample into two blocks of size one which were then mixed into a block of size two. You had a fixed set of choices for each of the blocks and a lot of the sound planning involved figuring out which of the major features that you wanted to use and how that drove your algorithm choice. If you wanted to use the big four pole filter with resonance, for example, you had few choices.Jace-BeOS wrote:Could someone explain kurzweil's VAST? I've never seen a sensible or meaningful explanation.
Later variants allowed you to run up to three of these layer sets in parallel, and the most recent variant apparently allows even more flexibility.
There is a LOT of modulation flexibility though, including the ability to apply functions to existing modulation sources. It really is still quite powerful, but not really worth bothering with today for most.
YMMV.
- KVRAF
- 2275 posts since 4 Dec, 2011 from Brasília, Brazil
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33156 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
No, a hybrid, just like it says on the page: "digital waveform synthesis through analog VCF/VCAs"
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRian
- 594 posts since 9 Jul, 2012
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- KVRAF
- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
These guys could make a shbobo scream-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=unHdBXmqRkk
Should I ever finish a surf album, have plans for an electronic album titled "Turn That That Dam Thing Off Before It Gets On My Last Nerve". Maybe a shbobo paired with a polivoks! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dl-Kp7OWkAI
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- KVRian
- 594 posts since 9 Jul, 2012
Fishing in Siberia! Nice idea.JCJR wrote: Should I ever finish a surf album, have plans for an electronic album titled "Turn That That Dam Thing Off Before It Gets On My Last Nerve". Maybe a shbobo paired with a polivoks! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dl-Kp7OWkAI
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- KVRAF
- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Well I like kraftwerk and in the proper mood enjoy quirky sounds. There is a certain charm to the polivoks which apparently with the mere accidental twitch of a knob, can instantly transform from simple bass synth into the sound of godzilla biting mothra in the balls!
We were drinking morning coffee, wife reading a potboiler and I was on the tablet trying to find what I recalled the most charming youtube example of "pocket calculator." Youtube has many versions of that classic.
After playing a half-dozen pocket calculator videos, looking for the one I recalled most charming, wife offered the offhand comment, "That music sounds rather repetitious."
On the chance that this might be an encrypted coded transmission, I fetched the Captain Midnight decoder pendant and character by character laboriously made the translation. The translation finally complete-- Leaving unencrypted clear text-- "Turn that dam thing off before it gets on my last nerve!"
We were drinking morning coffee, wife reading a potboiler and I was on the tablet trying to find what I recalled the most charming youtube example of "pocket calculator." Youtube has many versions of that classic.
After playing a half-dozen pocket calculator videos, looking for the one I recalled most charming, wife offered the offhand comment, "That music sounds rather repetitious."
On the chance that this might be an encrypted coded transmission, I fetched the Captain Midnight decoder pendant and character by character laboriously made the translation. The translation finally complete-- Leaving unencrypted clear text-- "Turn that dam thing off before it gets on my last nerve!"
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- KVRian
- 681 posts since 22 Aug, 2002 from on the inside looking out
Speaking of Mutable Instruments, the Shruthi is another interesting hybrid. Besides VA-ish waveforms, it offers phase distortion, phase modulation and wavetable oscillators. Many of these sound unashamedly digital. It's actually possible to build an entirely digital version, too. Their Braids module for eurorack goes further to offer physical modelling and VOSIM as well.
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- KVRist
- 74 posts since 3 Dec, 2013 from Huntsville, AL USA
If you finish it, I'll buy it just for that title.JCJR wrote: Should I ever finish a surf album, have plans for an electronic album titled "Turn That That Dam Thing Off Before It Gets On My Last Nerve". Maybe a shbobo paired with a polivoks! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dl-Kp7OWkAI