ACE vs Bazille
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 26 Feb, 2013 from Sweden
I've been using Bazille a lot lately, and every time I think about using ACE I ask myself why, since I like the sound and the possibilities of Bazille more.
So my question is, is there something that ACE does "better" or does it have features that Bazille lacks?
So my question is, is there something that ACE does "better" or does it have features that Bazille lacks?
Last edited by janlonden on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- 1058 posts since 3 Oct, 2011
ACE has soft sync with adjustable strength all the way up to hard sync for oscillator 2 (see page 15 of the present manual if you're unfamiliar with soft sync).
There's the "circuit bending" options to emulate quirks of failing old tech.
The ACE oscillators could be considered easier to handle as they're more old school.
You can instantly do PWM in ACE without convoluted workarounds.
Analogue modeling may give ACE a character some prefer but others such as you obviously don't so as with so much else that's just in theory.
I'm sure some synth heads that have been around for a long time and tweaked some of the classic semimodulars etc may feel more at home with ACE.
I'm not sure if any of the LFOs in Bazille can be used as a waveshaper as LFO 1 can be in ACE.
That's all I could think of.
There's the "circuit bending" options to emulate quirks of failing old tech.
The ACE oscillators could be considered easier to handle as they're more old school.
You can instantly do PWM in ACE without convoluted workarounds.
Analogue modeling may give ACE a character some prefer but others such as you obviously don't so as with so much else that's just in theory.
I'm sure some synth heads that have been around for a long time and tweaked some of the classic semimodulars etc may feel more at home with ACE.
I'm not sure if any of the LFOs in Bazille can be used as a waveshaper as LFO 1 can be in ACE.
That's all I could think of.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 26 Feb, 2013 from Sweden
I'll take a closer look at this.V-GER wrote:ACE has soft sync with adjustable strength all the way up to hard sync for oscillator 2 (see page 15 of the present manual if you're unfamiliar with soft sync).
Ah yes, the circuit bending featureV-GER wrote:There's the "circuit bending" options to emulate quirks of failing old tech.
The LFOs in Bazille can go up to audio rate, if that's what you mean?V-GER wrote:I'm not sure if any of the LFOs in Bazille can be used as a waveshaper as LFO 1 can be in ACE.
It seems that it basically boils down to the more old school analogue sound.
Thank you for taking the time!
Last edited by janlonden on Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- 28043 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
ACE's softsync is a secret weapon if you know how to coax the right sound of it. Undertones, tank drones, polypulses, chainsaws, glitchy sweeps, etc.
It also sounds more analog, which means ACE and Bazille compliment eachother really well.
It also sounds more analog, which means ACE and Bazille compliment eachother really well.
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 11 Dec, 2008 from Minneapolis
Bazille ended up with different filters post-alpha, but there's nothing wrong with ACE's. The resonance and drive has maybe a softer feel, pairs well with the often more VA-oriented signals from the oscillators.
- KVRAF
- 3889 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Ace doesn't crush your cpu as hard.
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- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
As others have said, ACE is more subtractive analog sounding...janlonden wrote:I've been using Bazille a lot lately, and every time I think about using ACE I ask myself why, since I like the sound and the possibilities of Bazille more.
So my question is, is there something that ACE does "better" or does it have features that Bazille lacks?
I really love the filters in Bazille... I find them exceptionally expressive and controllable. There are many gorgeous sounds up towards the edge of self oscillation... often soft synths don't give much area there but Bazille has a lot of subtlety.
Push Bazille up into full on self oscillation and then the resonance is not particularly my favorite... it gets chirpy. ACE resonance gets more of that 303 sound which I find more pleasing.
Btw, If you feed the filter output back into itself in ACE, the filter stairsteps with cutoff modulation.
As Sendy said, the softsync in ACE is a secret weapon... lots of loveliness to be found there.
ACE is a solid synth in its own right... but if I had to pick between them it would be Bazille without even a thought. Bazille is an extraordinary synth.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 26 Feb, 2013 from Sweden
Luckily that's not an issue for me.rod_zero wrote:Ace doesn't crush your cpu as hard.
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Many of you have mentioned the soft sync feature. Could someone give some simple instructions how to get a nice sound using it? Or maybe upload a patch?
Thank you all for helping me get the most out of ACE!