Selling IL products...how are people getting around the 'no sale' policy?
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
I'd really like to get rid of my IL account as well. I've not used it since the late 90's. I can't even use if I wanted too as I have a mac.
Life time of free updates... Meh! No use to me.
Life time of free updates... Meh! No use to me.
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Wow Back then Fruity Loops was only a drum machineRobmobius wrote:I'd really like to get rid of my IL account as well. I've not used it since the late 90's.
Did they offer life time free upgrades at that early point too?
- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
I'm waiting till that Mac version comes out. And I load up my Fruity Loops license from 2000. Then we'll party like it's 1999!
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Cool thread.
How good that we're all so morally integer people who don't use warez and always pay for our software. Sorry, can't resist the little side blow. It's funny how people always seem to act in regards of their own beliefs and rules, and how they accept something, while disregarding something else, and trying to get around it. Because, according to law, you have to respect the terms of usage, and in this case, IL doesn't allow reselling the software. Actually, when you're not ok with it, the way to prove your right would be to apply a law suit to make them change their EULA, which noone will do of course. Oh well...What's the workaround to get around the terms of usage i agreed to when i bought and installed the software.
- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
Er, I paid for mine back then... Like $99. I think. I have the utmost respect for a company that honors my "lifetime" license for well, forever. I'm putting my Fruity license in my will!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
Just to clarify...I wasn't looking for advice on how to beat the system. I just sometimes see some IL stuff up for grabs in the Market Place and wonder how they can resell when the rest of us can't. The same goes for Cakewalk products, KORG etc.
I was half awake when I posted and it was a bleary minded assumption that the guy selling Harmor must have the whole Fruity shebang too, when in fact he probably only has Harmor and that's his entire account. So he's not splitting anything.
I was half awake when I posted and it was a bleary minded assumption that the guy selling Harmor must have the whole Fruity shebang too, when in fact he probably only has Harmor and that's his entire account. So he's not splitting anything.
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Don't get me wrong, i don't see a problem with selling the account either. It's just that some stuff gets radically chased down here in the forums, like using warez, but when people think they're in the right, due to something they've read somewhere (hobby lawyers and stuff), it's ok to discuss ways around it. I don't want to tell you what's wrong or right, you have to decide for yourself. But discussing stuff like this on a site which lives from companies advertising on it is a bit "hm". Because you clearly act against the EULA you accepted when buying the software. Whether this EULA is legitimate or not is another thing. Most EULA's aren't legitimate actually afaik.
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
Yes. Famously they did.Numanoid wrote:Wow Back then Fruity Loops was only a drum machineRobmobius wrote:I'd really like to get rid of my IL account as well. I've not used it since the late 90's.
Did they offer life time free upgrades at that early point too?
I think they actually point this out on their site somewhere.
I didn't jump in until version 4 or 5 and I now have a ton of stuff I never would have imagined back then.
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I started with FL right when it went from 3 point something to FL4, it's still installed on my laptop and my studio computer. I dont care if I can sell it or not and I actually bought two licenses (one for my son who never uses it, but he still can if he wants). I also feel it's reasonable to not allow transfers of lifetime upgrades, in fact I think it's unreasonable to expect that. I look at the two licenses I bought, how long ago they were and the fact I am one of those who have not bought much else from them and realize how little they made off of me and to continue the lifetime upgrades they need to keep their sales up. The one thing they do not need is to compete with 1000 people underselling FL, I knew the rules going in and I accepted it then so I accept it now...I have no regrets, in fact I am grateful to ILBERFAB wrote:Yes. Famously they did.Numanoid wrote:Wow Back then Fruity Loops was only a drum machineRobmobius wrote:I'd really like to get rid of my IL account as well. I've not used it since the late 90's.
Did they offer life time free upgrades at that early point too?
I think they actually point this out on their site somewhere.
I didn't jump in until version 4 or 5 and I now have a ton of stuff I never would have imagined back then.
-B
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRist
- 361 posts since 14 Jan, 2014 from Germany
At least in Europe, this statement is wrong. EULAs are not law, and agreeing to EULAs that aren't based on actual regulations does not bind you to them. There are several EU court rulings that indicate that you are indeed allowed to resell your software licenses and that the vendor has no legal base to prohibit you from doing so. (Cf. cases against Oracle and Microsoft).chk071 wrote:Because, according to law, you have to respect the terms of usage, and in this case, IL doesn't allow reselling the software.
This may be different in the US where you can sign away your rights, but IL is a European company and subject to European law. The EULA/terms of usage are immaterial if they do not conform with with legal regulations.
- KVRAF
- 3888 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
chk071 wrote:Cool thread.How good that we're all so morally integer people who don't use warez and always pay for our software. Sorry, can't resist the little side blow. It's funny how people always seem to act in regards of their own beliefs and rules, and how they accept something, while disregarding something else, and trying to get around it. Because, according to law, you have to respect the terms of usage, and in this case, IL doesn't allow reselling the software. Actually, when you're not ok with it, the way to prove your right would be to apply a law suit to make them change their EULA, which noone will do of course. Oh well...What's the workaround to get around the terms of usage i agreed to when i bought and installed the software.
In fact you can't give up your rights according to laws and by that many EULA's are ilegal.
So, who must comply first, companies with laws or individuals with bogus EULA's?
For me the company bears more responsability.
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- Banned
- 1181 posts since 24 Jun, 2014 from Giza Plateau
Because of that IL will never do something against a new owner of an old account even if they can track all back.Mivo wrote:At least in Europe, this statement is wrong. EULAs are not law, and agreeing to EULAs that aren't based on actual regulations does not bind you to them. There are several EU court rulings that indicate that you are indeed allowed to resell your software licenses and that the vendor has no legal base to prohibit you from doing so. (Cf. cases against Oracle and Microsoft).chk071 wrote:Because, according to law, you have to respect the terms of usage, and in this case, IL doesn't allow reselling the software.
This may be different in the US where you can sign away your rights, but IL is a European company and subject to European law. The EULA/terms of usage are immaterial if they do not conform with with legal regulations.
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