Bitwig

PaisleyArtMachine · Post by **PaisleyArtMachine** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:25 pm

Hi there guys, I am a long time ableton user who is new to Bitwig. I'm trying to figure out how to route midi to my vsts within an instrument track. For example, I have a synth which is my main instrument, but I have a second vst after the synth which allows me to apply a cool band filtering effect by pressing keys of a midi keyboard. The thing is, I can't figure out how to get a seperate stream of midi data to my sub effect. Does bitwig have a midi routing system?

For that matter, how do I do sidechaining with my vsts? It doesn't appear that I can send audio to vsts within tracks either. Is that the case? There is no way to send a stream of audio to a specific VST like we can do in Ableton?

Am I right that there is no sub track midi/audio routing in Bitwig? If so how are people working around these problems?

jaredf · Post by **jaredf** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:29 pm

MIDI routing doesn't exist yet.

PaisleyArtMachine · Post by **PaisleyArtMachine** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:39 pm

Great, Thanks for the quick response. That was all I needed to know!

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:07 pm

You can route the audio output of your synth to another (hybrid) track and apply and play the band filtering there.
1.1 will allow more advanced routing.

Cheers,

Tom

PaisleyArtMachine · Post by **PaisleyArtMachine** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:01 pm

That's true, routing audio into the new track and playing midi through it is the same thing. Hadn't really considered that.

I am glad to hear that this midi/audio routing issue is being worked on. I'm pretty excited about Bitwig, and this was the first time I felt like I actually hit a real problem with the design. As far as I can tell if this feature gets added Bitwig will become my new platform of choice.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:13 pm

Yeah, some stuff needs a bit of re-thinking and some stuff needs a bit of time

Cheers,

Tom

blouaap · Post by **blouaap** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:44 pm

MIDI keeps on going on a track in BWS. So if you have an instrument and an effect that responds to MIDI too, you have to put them on the same track (Effect after the Instrument) and then you just make sure that the notes (For melody) and MIDI "Commands" for the Effect is not in the same range. BWS add a few MIDI filter that you can use via Instrument Racks, to filter MIDI messages even more if need be. If the Instrument using the MIDI terminates the flow on BWS, then the Effect won't "Catch" the MIDI after the Instrument.

I will try this and maybe make another video as I have seen this being asked a few times as well.

See here I use Reaktor as an Effect, but send it audio too. The MIDI plays the notes of Reaktor (Like a modulator), that acts like a Vocoder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnOwJtB ... CtwX5ANDBg

My MIDI Routing work around on a Mac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNZLKA ... CtwX5ANDBg

powermat · Post by **powermat** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:11 pm

blouaap wrote:See here I use Reaktor as an Effect, but send it audio too. The MIDI plays the notes of Reaktor (Like a modulator), that acts like a Vocoder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnOwJtB ... CtwX5ANDBg

Thanks for this!

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:34 am

just a remark, there is a midiIn/Out plugin in the https://code.google.com/p/pizmidi/ package, so (with virtual midi cables like loopBe) we can route the MIDI signals between the tracks (can be mixed with the system signals too) easily

currently the only issue is the harcoded(1) channel number

hopefully will be solved in 1.1

--
so the MidiShaper from Cableguys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_abcnLiYA
is working perfectly in BWS (I've wanted to create a MIDI note based envelope follower...) using an instrument and control MIDI track together

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:20 am

ATM Midi inside a Track in BWS has no channel information and is always considered to be channel 1, so the bug in PIZ shouldn't be a problem.
Great find!

Cheers,

Tom

StudioDave · Post by **StudioDave** » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:10 pm

Greetings,

Linux users should know that that particular pizmidi plug is not available for Linux. It's one of the pizjuce plugins, it might build for Linux if someone wants to take a swing at making a usable Makefile with Introjucer.

Best,

dp

carlosjcuevasm · Post by **carlosjcuevasm** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:34 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:ATM Midi inside a Track in BWS has no channel information and is always considered to be channel 1, so the bug in PIZ shouldn't be a problem.
Great find!

Cheers,

Tom

I am learning some orchestra stuff and the guy from the vid said to figure out how to assign differents midi channels for each midi note in my track to use differents articulations for an instrument. For the first time, I am looking foward version 1.1. Almost badly I would say

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:17 pm

You can not do that in 1.1.
What you can do is having the notes for each channel on a different track and then there is a routing trick in 1.1 to send those notes directly to a VST in which process you can assign a specific channel to it. With layered editing it may be workable.

I want channel-per-note myself but couldn't convince the devs.

Cheers,

Tom

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:42 pm

FL has a f* great articulation plugin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Eu8pa4DGU

drop it as VSTi into BWS for these tracks, or use FL alone

during your learning process

carlosjcuevasm · Post by **carlosjcuevasm** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:17 am

That remind me of something!

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 9&t=123031

Actually I am liking it a lot. The midi editing is smotth,a lot! I would suggets everyone to try it, its free!

Bitwig

KVR Audio

Midi sub routing within bitwig