Komplete 10 Date - Oct. 1 2014

[Gribs]

Kore 2 was wonderful both as a giant modular routing and effects thing and as an instrument with very organic and playable sound libraries. There were 2 camps at NI and the Kore camp lost to the Maschine camp. What a disappointment that was for me.

I have zero plans to buy a specialized KB controller for Komplete. If I were going to buy another KB controller, it would be a Nektar Panorama 6.

This Komplete update looks okay. I think of it as a maintenance fee, sort of like what my employer pays for my professional engineering software. I thought that if the upgrade price from Komplete 9 -> Komplete 10 Ultimate is in the right range, I might go with Ultimate to get Molekular and some other stuff, but it looks like there is no real break in price.

[rod_zero]

Push had lots of criticism for not loading or automapping VST's. At least you can load them and map them yourself and still use scales mode and the step sequencer.

This kontrol S controllers can't use their performance features outside of komplete instruments. What a bummer.

[VitaminD]

Still waiting to see how this one fairs... I think release date is in October for it too.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1 ... m/alsVwDtl

[Numanoid]

This kontrol S controllers can't use their performance features outside of komplete instruments. What a bummer.

Are you sure?

It is stated on the NI webpage, that there is advanced functionality in the following hosts:
-Ableton Live 9.1.4
-Cubase 7.5.1
-Nuendo 6.0.7
-Logic X 10.0.7

A major bummer is that it requires power connection

[kiezum]

The upgrade is from K9U to K10U is 399 euro! I don't think I upgrade. What do I get?

- New Piano's (demo's are little bit too compressed)
- A few Reaktor synths from Twisted Tools
- Molekular (interesting)
- Action Strike, Kinetic Metal and Rise & Hit (could be useful)
- Session Horns Pro and Cuba
And... Komplete Kontrol (I already got Maschine)

Why didn't they make a controller for Komplete, without keys... and a little cheaper? Who would buy these keyboards?

[rod_zero]

This kontrol S controllers can't use their performance features outside of komplete instruments. What a bummer.

Are you sure?

It is stated on the NI webpage, that there is advanced functionality in the following hosts:
-Ableton Live 9.1.4
-Cubase 7.5.1
-Nuendo 6.0.7
-Logic X 10.0.7

A major bummer is that it requires power connection

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/09/e ... -pictures/

And for MIDI Users
The Kontrol S-Series does nothing when disconnected form a computer. Like Maschine, it needs the host software to operate. But you can use it with other software, via standard MIDI communication, as a controller.
Again, like Maschine, you do this by switching between MIDI and controller modes – shift-Instance does the trick.
First, the bad news: alarmingly, some features work only with Komplete Kontrol. You can’t use the arpeggiator or scale or chord modes without using the companion software. That’s a pretty big issue, and one I hope NI fixes.

[3ee]

I guess that the people buying the new konTROLLers already have beats by dre

where hyper-capitalism is involved, real values start to disintegrate... Shame on you NI!

[Numanoid]

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/09/e ... -pictures/

And for MIDI Users
The Kontrol S-Series does nothing when disconnected form a computer. Like Maschine, it needs the host software to operate. But you can use it with other software, via standard MIDI communication, as a controller.

It can't be hooked up to a synth module ?

[Numanoid]

where hyper-capitalism is involved, real values start to disintegrate... Shame on you NI!

This is like socialism. Buying a Korg M1 was much more expensive back in the day

Here new users can get a full blown hybrid system for just €699 [just add computer]

Kids these days have it so good

[egbert]

where hyper-capitalism is involved, real values start to disintegrate... Shame on you NI!

This is like socialism. Buying a Korg M1 was much more expensive back in the day.

And just think kids, it was rocking a whole 8 MB of samples in its awesome ROM! Them were the days.

[MaF]

Having had a look at what K10 offers I might still stay on K6.

I'm just not convinced by these "advanced" MIDI controllers like the Kontrol S keyboards, Maschine or Push. All you do is browse presets (or additional libraries you bought) and afterwards control your eight premapped parameters via eight encoders. When you want to really design your sounds or arrange your song you have to look at the screen and use the mouse. I'd like more hands-on. Is that old-fashioned?

I think it would be great if there were dedicated hardware controllers for a plug-in with knob per function (like the old MS20 controller or this guy in Berlin: synth-project.de). Then it would be fun to learn the synth inside out and everybody could live with just a quarter of all the plug-ins. The Virus TI is no the solution either, since it adds too much latency.

[Breeze]

Poly AT is still too expensive.

Completely disagree. I think it's more a question of fashion and desirability. To cut an AT strip into individual sensors, wire them to a flexible PCB and scan/multiplex them for output is relatively trivial. If they were doing this routinely, it would be cheap; but it isn't so it remains "complicated and expensive" - ie: more trouble than it's worth.

[BDeep]

Having had a look at what K10 offers I might still stay on K6.

I'm just not convinced by these "advanced" MIDI controllers like the Kontrol S keyboards, Maschine or Push. All you do is browse presets (or additional libraries you bought) and afterwards control your eight premapped parameters via eight encoders. When you want to really design your sounds or arrange your song you have to look at the screen and use the mouse. I'd like more hands-on. Is that old-fashioned?

I think it would be great if there were dedicated hardware controllers for a plug-in with knob per function (like the old MS20 controller or this guy in Berlin: synth-project.de). Then it would be fun to learn the synth inside out and everybody could live with just a quarter of all the plug-ins. The Virus TI is no the solution either, since it adds too much latency.

Well, you know, as you yourself said, they're made to browse presets and to do a little live tweaking. And in the case of Maschine and Push, they're main goal is to bring sequencing to your fingertips.

I'm a big fan of having a bunch of knobs in front of you and being able to tweak them. But let's face it, many modern VSTs are too complicated for hardware control. Sure you can get there to some extent, but ideally, for sound design, you'd need dedicated hardware to fit the synths architecture in order to make it intuitive (ie, oscs, filters grouped together in a way that makes sense etc). And even then, a synth like the Virus, which has all of that, and can rival with VSTs in terms of complexity, has many functions only available in the menu's. Were's the advantage in that? Give me a well designed GUI any day of the week. Although, I realise that's just me and YMMV and so forth and so on.

[electro]

They seem to have abandoned everything but Maschine, Kontakt, and Reaktor for the most part; The actual VST Native Instruments (Absynth, FM8, Pro53, Massive, etc) are seemingly abandoned.

Pro53 was abandoned, the others are maintained (updates for compatibility, new formats like AAX, preset integration etc.) but it remains to be seen if they are being developed for new versions.

That NI's Monark team didn't do a Prophet 5 for K10 is an unexpected disappointment.

[robogone]

They seem to have abandoned everything but Maschine, Kontakt, and Reaktor for the most part; The actual VST Native Instruments (Absynth, FM8, Pro53, Massive, etc) are seemingly abandoned.

Pro53 was abandoned, the others are maintained (updates for compatibility, new formats like AAX, preset integration etc.) but it remains to be seen if they are being developed for new versions.

That NI's Monark team didn't do a Prophet 5 for K10 is an unexpected disappointment.

I seem to recall that there were a few predictions for that to be their next project - would have seemed to be a logical next step considering the quite widespread disappointment when Pro-53 was abandoned.