Cubase 7.5 stock reverbs
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 69 posts since 24 Jul, 2014 from London, UK
How do these stack up against 3rd party reverbs? are they highly thought of or dont really cut it?
just interested to know what the general consensus is.
just interested to know what the general consensus is.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
- KVRAF
- 2273 posts since 19 Sep, 2011
they don't. not even a real comparison. the cubase algorithmic reverbs are based on the free smart electronix ambiance. the new reverb is also ambiance with some added code.
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
I beg to differ with AstralExistence. The new reverbs are highly regarded. The latest algo reverb (Reverence?) would have saved me a bundle if it had come with an earlier version of Cubase. As it is, it is now my go-to, and replaces CSR, the new NI classic reverbs, and the Halls in Aether.
The IR reverb is also quite good, but it is, after all, an IR unit. I much prefer the shimmer of a live algo verb.
The most recent Cubase versions have really stepped up their game with the included plugs, and less and less 3rd party stuff is needed. There was a time when the Cubase plugs could be dismissed out of hand, but no longer.
Cheers
-B
The IR reverb is also quite good, but it is, after all, an IR unit. I much prefer the shimmer of a live algo verb.
The most recent Cubase versions have really stepped up their game with the included plugs, and less and less 3rd party stuff is needed. There was a time when the Cubase plugs could be dismissed out of hand, but no longer.
Cheers
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 14 Oct, 2006 from france
A matter of taste, REVelation & RERerence are both very good and usable to my ears, and to be honest, Roomworks is still one of the best 3d reverb i have ever used. So easy to put something back in the mix with that one.
So i suppose there is no consensus
So i suppose there is no consensus
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 9 Feb, 2007 from San Ramon, California
REVerence sounds good enough that I do not feel that I require another convolution reverb plugin. That plus the Valhalla stuff is enough for me.
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
So I guess I had it backwards. Revelation is the algo 'verb. Excellent sound and fully integrated. Very cool.
@budweiser: I never heard Roomworks referred to as a "3D" reverb and I'm not sure what that is. I never really cared for it, but perhaps I've been using it wrong? What does one do differently with a 3D 'verb?
@budweiser: I never heard Roomworks referred to as a "3D" reverb and I'm not sure what that is. I never really cared for it, but perhaps I've been using it wrong? What does one do differently with a 3D 'verb?
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
- KVRAF
- 3260 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
Totally agree. In fact I've found myself using the stock plugins and strips more and more. Easily overlooked if you have been on the Steiny journey for a long time and built up a lot of 3rd party replacements.BERFAB wrote:...
The most recent Cubase versions have really stepped up their game with the included plugs, and less and less 3rd party stuff is needed. There was a time when the Cubase plugs could be dismissed out of hand, but no longer.
Cheers
-B
I will say however, talking reverb. My goto's are still Valhalla Vintage (nothing vintage about it tbh ), 2CAudios B2/Aether and recently found the Eventides latest reverb in the rack!
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
I hear that. I have a TON of 3rd party stuff that I never would have bought if I'd have known what was coming. And the new channel strip with presets really is a nice starting point. Even the instruments (Retrologue, Padshop and GA4SE) are top notch and cover a lot of ground.MFXxx wrote:Totally agree. In fact I've found myself using the stock plugins and strips more and more. Easily overlooked if you have been on the Steiny journey for a long time and built up a lot of 3rd party replacements.BERFAB wrote:...
The most recent Cubase versions have really stepped up their game with the included plugs, and less and less 3rd party stuff is needed. There was a time when the Cubase plugs could be dismissed out of hand, but no longer.
Cheers
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Hm, where did you get that info? Not that just because it's free, it's bad.AstralExistence wrote:they don't. not even a real comparison. the cubase algorithmic reverbs are based on the free smart electronix ambiance. the new reverb is also ambiance with some added code.
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- 16122 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
I think the new Revelation-reverb isn't that bad, as they added some modulation alogs. Here is an impro-test I made some moths ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK-eijUxeGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK-eijUxeGA
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- KVRAF
- 1661 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
Although I'm a very satisfied Aether owner, if Revelation had been around a few years back when I decided to buy Aether, I might well have felt Revelation was all I needed for an algo verb.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
- KVRAF
- 2273 posts since 19 Sep, 2011
its a hidden fact steinberg doesn't like people to mention or want to know. what i say is true though. they don't want to the new users of cubase to know this and try to sweep this under the rug. steinberg love to recycle there old code when making new products. its annoying the need to stop doing this just to save money.chk071 wrote:Hm, where did you get that info? Not that just because it's free, it's bad.AstralExistence wrote:they don't. not even a real comparison. the cubase algorithmic reverbs are based on the free smart electronix ambiance. the new reverb is also ambiance with some added code.
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Aha...AstralExistence wrote: its a hidden fact steinberg doesn't like people to mention or want to know.
Well, without a solid proof or source, you could claim anything here, how would people know if you're telling the truth (with which i mean you're telling things which have been confirmed by officials, or trustworth people, and not something you read somewhere else or anything)? Does the guy (Magnus from smartelectronix) have anything to do with Steinberg? Does or did he work there, or has he shared his work with them? I know Waldorf did a plugin for Steinberg once, the A1 plugin, so it's not completely unrealistic, but again, without any kind of source, one can claim a lot of things.AstralExistence wrote: what i say is true though.
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 14 Oct, 2006 from france
Well, i'm talking about moving a sound forward or backward in the mix, with ease, without adding too much (or at all) tail. Theorically every reverb can achieve that, but i've found it's far to be the case, and like everybody here, i own a bunch a reverbs, including the whole uad gang. 3D is inappropriate, but it's the first word i think about.BERFAB wrote: @budweiser: I never heard Roomworks referred to as a "3D" reverb and I'm not sure what that is. I never really cared for it, but perhaps I've been using it wrong? What does one do differently with a 3D 'verb?
Roomworks (the aptly named) can do this with ease, adding some sense of room without any tail, and pushing a sound in the background of a mix.
Probably not a star in the reverb world because it's not a shiny one (sensibly used you just don't hear it), but a very efficient tool when placing sounds in the mix ! Very underrated, imo.