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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
Hi everyone ,
I'm trying to make 80's drums but not too vintage ,more house sound..
I'm trying to make 80's drums but not too vintage ,more house sound..
Last edited by funkynoya on Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:30 am, edited 2 times in total.
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- KVRian
- 834 posts since 2 Mar, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
I wouldn't really call them 80s drums.
Sounds to me just like a pretty stock standard house kick (the rounder the better) and some hats.
Try the Vengeance House packs (the early ones Vol. 1 & 2)
There's also a disco break over the top which has been low cut. That's were the extra 'live' feel and ambiance is coming from (and probably some of the hats).
Sounds to me just like a pretty stock standard house kick (the rounder the better) and some hats.
Try the Vengeance House packs (the early ones Vol. 1 & 2)
There's also a disco break over the top which has been low cut. That's were the extra 'live' feel and ambiance is coming from (and probably some of the hats).
Sound Engineer / Musician / Producer......but I'm always learning.
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- KVRAF
- 1800 posts since 10 Feb, 2007
Here are real 80's sounds, but I don't know if this is what you are looking for...
http://www.zenhiser.com/genre/80-s.html
Maybe this is more to your likings:
http://www.zenhiser.com/nu-disco-fundam ... m-kit.html
http://www.zenhiser.com/genre/80-s.html
Maybe this is more to your likings:
http://www.zenhiser.com/nu-disco-fundam ... m-kit.html
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
I tried Vengeance House packs kicks ,they are these kind of kicks.But if you listen again carefully there's a snap at kick which cuts mix.I couldn't find that kind of kick..Do you know sample packs for disco breaks ?soul_junkie wrote:I wouldn't really call them 80s drums.
Sounds to me just like a pretty stock standard house kick (the rounder the better) and some hats.
Try the Vengeance House packs (the early ones Vol. 1 & 2)
There's also a disco break over the top which has been low cut. That's were the extra 'live' feel and ambiance is coming from (and probably some of the hats).
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
Thanks a lot! These sample packs are great for 80's sound ...manducator wrote:Here are real 80's sounds, but I don't know if this is what you are looking for...
http://www.zenhiser.com/genre/80-s.html
Maybe this is more to your likings:
http://www.zenhiser.com/nu-disco-fundam ... m-kit.html
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- KVRAF
- 1800 posts since 10 Feb, 2007
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- KVRian
- 834 posts since 2 Mar, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
If you're searching for the EXACT kick you'll go round and round in circles and get nowhere!funkynoya wrote:I tried Vengeance House packs kicks ,they are these kind of kicks.But if you listen again carefully there's a snap at kick which cuts mix.I couldn't find that kind of kick..Do you know sample packs for disco breaks ?
Listen to the body of the kick, and find something similar, then listen to the attack, find something similar, then blend
There are a few sample packs around I'm sure, none I can name of the top of my head, but the best source of disco breaks is the first 30 secs of most disco records
Or just sample that one you posted and move on....I won't tell anyone
Sound Engineer / Musician / Producer......but I'm always learning.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
hahah ok buddy thanks for keeping it secret yeah i think i don't satisfy if i couldn't get the same sound but it's wrong ,i'm in circle now i made a lot of similar kicks so i will stop trying to make same sound ...thanks for your advices:)soul_junkie wrote:If you're searching for the EXACT kick you'll go round and round in circles and get nowhere!funkynoya wrote:I tried Vengeance House packs kicks ,they are these kind of kicks.But if you listen again carefully there's a snap at kick which cuts mix.I couldn't find that kind of kick..Do you know sample packs for disco breaks ?
Listen to the body of the kick, and find something similar, then listen to the attack, find something similar, then blend
There are a few sample packs around I'm sure, none I can name of the top of my head, but the best source of disco breaks is the first 30 secs of most disco records
Or just sample that one you posted and move on....I won't tell anyone
- KVRian
- 1487 posts since 14 Jul, 2013 from Sweden
Of course there are many different kinds of drums that sound 80s.
But in general I would say that one main thing about 80s drums - at least early to mid 80s ) it that the kick is usually more in the backgorund while the snare is in the foreground. And many time there's a pretty heavy and reverbed snare.
The kick I think should rather be felt then heard.
Today it's pretty much the oposite with a very loud kick in the foreground and a light snare.
Listen to Don't you want me baby" , "Self control", "Sounds like a melody", "Vouage vouage", "Johnny Johnny" etc...
But in general I would say that one main thing about 80s drums - at least early to mid 80s ) it that the kick is usually more in the backgorund while the snare is in the foreground. And many time there's a pretty heavy and reverbed snare.
The kick I think should rather be felt then heard.
Today it's pretty much the oposite with a very loud kick in the foreground and a light snare.
Listen to Don't you want me baby" , "Self control", "Sounds like a melody", "Vouage vouage", "Johnny Johnny" etc...
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
Yeah nowadays kick drums are in the foreground.I always practice to sit kick balanced not in the foreground but punchy ,i think this is the most important thing in the mixsfd wrote:Of course there are many different kinds of drums that sound 80s.
But in general I would say that one main thing about 80s drums - at least early to mid 80s ) it that the kick is usually more in the backgorund while the snare is in the foreground. And many time there's a pretty heavy and reverbed snare.
The kick I think should rather be felt then heard.
Today it's pretty much the oposite with a very loud kick in the foreground and a light snare.
Listen to Don't you want me baby" , "Self control", "Sounds like a melody", "Vouage vouage", "Johnny Johnny" etc...
- KVRian
- 1487 posts since 14 Jul, 2013 from Sweden
A good example of a great and very powerfull song where the kick is almost unhearable is David Bowies "Heroes".funkynoya wrote:Yeah nowadays kick drums are in the foreground.I always practice to sit kick balanced not in the foreground but punchy ,i think this is the most important thing in the mixsfd wrote:Of course there are many different kinds of drums that sound 80s.
But in general I would say that one main thing about 80s drums - at least early to mid 80s ) it that the kick is usually more in the backgorund while the snare is in the foreground. And many time there's a pretty heavy and reverbed snare.
The kick I think should rather be felt then heard.
Today it's pretty much the oposite with a very loud kick in the foreground and a light snare.
Listen to Don't you want me baby" , "Self control", "Sounds like a melody", "Vouage vouage", "Johnny Johnny" etc...
The kick isn't always necessary to make a punchy grove. A good bass and aj heavy snare drum can have the same effect. Bronsky Beat's "Smalltown Boy" is one example. Another song with a great and heavy bassline where the kick is in the backgorund is Depeche Mode's "But not tonight".
A loud and punchy kick in the front can be nie to sometimes. But IMO we had to much of that for the last 20 years or so. It's getting like... a cheap and easy way to make a tuen sound punchy. Take a pad and add that super techno kick and sure it sounds punchy...but..well...
Another thing about kick drums in 80s musi is that there's less four-to-the-floor kicks then one might imagine.
Listen to a few song from the 80s with that typichal octave to octave bassline and you'll hear that there's not so much FTF kicks.
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- KVRian
- 834 posts since 2 Mar, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
I'm not keeping anything secret, in fact quite the opposite. I'm telling you were to find the sounds you're looking for. If you are only looking for the EXACT drums that he used then good luck on that search, you'll be there a while.funkynoya wrote:hahah ok buddy thanks for keeping it secret yeah i think i don't satisfy if i couldn't get the same sound but it's wrong ,i'm in circle now i made a lot of similar kicks so i will stop trying to make same sound ...thanks for your advices:)
Here I made this in 3 mins using the instructions I gave you. Some old kicks and snares from a Vengeance Pack and a disco break.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwhtt0xxxkvml ... 2.mp3?dl=0
Sound Engineer / Musician / Producer......but I'm always learning.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
You told me 'Or just sample that one you posted and move on....I won't tell anyone'' in your last message.I mean that while saying thanks for keeping secrets ,i was jokingsoul_junkie wrote:I'm not keeping anything secret, in fact quite the opposite. I'm telling you were to find the sounds you're looking for. If you are only looking for the EXACT drums that he used then good luck on that search, you'll be there a while.funkynoya wrote:hahah ok buddy thanks for keeping it secret yeah i think i don't satisfy if i couldn't get the same sound but it's wrong ,i'm in circle now i made a lot of similar kicks so i will stop trying to make same sound ...thanks for your advices:)
Here I made this in 3 mins using the instructions I gave you. Some old kicks and snares from a Vengeance Pack and a disco break.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwhtt0xxxkvml ... 2.mp3?dl=0
I listened your drums now ,kick drum is almost same ,could you please told me which Vengeance samples are they ? That kicks will be my go to kicks !
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 14 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
I listened tracks that you wrote at top,their kick drums hit polite but tracks punch with snare and nice basslines.When we listen pro's sounds they are all hiding kick drums in mix.It's a professional side of music.sfd wrote:A good example of a great and very powerfull song where the kick is almost unhearable is David Bowies "Heroes".funkynoya wrote:Yeah nowadays kick drums are in the foreground.I always practice to sit kick balanced not in the foreground but punchy ,i think this is the most important thing in the mixsfd wrote:Of course there are many different kinds of drums that sound 80s.
But in general I would say that one main thing about 80s drums - at least early to mid 80s ) it that the kick is usually more in the backgorund while the snare is in the foreground. And many time there's a pretty heavy and reverbed snare.
The kick I think should rather be felt then heard.
Today it's pretty much the oposite with a very loud kick in the foreground and a light snare.
Listen to Don't you want me baby" , "Self control", "Sounds like a melody", "Vouage vouage", "Johnny Johnny" etc...
The kick isn't always necessary to make a punchy grove. A good bass and aj heavy snare drum can have the same effect. Bronsky Beat's "Smalltown Boy" is one example. Another song with a great and heavy bassline where the kick is in the backgorund is Depeche Mode's "But not tonight".
A loud and punchy kick in the front can be nie to sometimes. But IMO we had to much of that for the last 20 years or so. It's getting like... a cheap and easy way to make a tuen sound punchy. Take a pad and add that super techno kick and sure it sounds punchy...but..well...
Another thing about kick drums in 80s musi is that there's less four-to-the-floor kicks then one might imagine.
Listen to a few song from the 80s with that typichal octave to octave bassline and you'll hear that there's not so much FTF kicks.
Yeah in 80'S there's not so much four to the floor kicks ,i realized that too and this is the nice thing about 80's music.I'm thinking to use 4/4 less in my future tracks,they give more live feel...
- KVRist
- 33 posts since 16 Jun, 2014
If you want a really good selection of 80s drums, give http://www.beatmachine.co.uk a try. I've bought LOADS from there and they are cheap. The Italo Disco packs are pretty awesome for punchy gated drums of the 80s.
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