U-he Presswerk ?

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Caine123 wrote:i loooooooooooooooooove u-he, but please someone tell me why we need so many compressors on the market ? :D
it's like eq's, people say there is not really much difference (when coding is well?), so i still stick to my go-to parametric eq from fl studio, compressorwise i got my recccomp from waves and dunno yet what this will get more than other comps?

no badmouthing, only let me know what im missing on the market :P

and again, i only write it here and not in other compression topics cause i always checkout u-he stuff !
I think (could be wrong) that there's a bigger market for "character" compressors than EQs. An equalizer, ideally, you want to just do what it says it's doing, cutting and boosting frequencies where you specify. At least, this I've seen others say, I'm not big on compressors myself. I'll use Fruity Limiter/Maximus or the native maximizer in Renoise, depending on which program I'm using, to make things a little louder in a relatively transparent way, but most compressor plugins I've tried that were designed to color the output I didn't like that much

Then again, people also say there should be no difference with FM synths because mathematically there should be few variables, but I swear Zebra's FMO has something special going on other than just having a stereo signal path :lol:

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Caine123 wrote:i loooooooooooooooooove u-he, but please someone tell me why we need so many compressors on the market ? :D
The market needed so many compressors because we hadn't done one yet.

sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

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I'm gonna have to see if this would make DMG Audios Compassion even necessary to own.

Judging by the looks of the features I'm thinking Compassion still gives it a good run for it's money. I noticed that these are designed to be "like" some of the hardware models that were mentioned.

I like the Faux hardware look, kind of reminds me of some old WWII radio or something.
:borg:

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Caine123 wrote:please someone tell me why we need so many compressors on the market ? :D
it's like eq's, people say there is not really much difference (when coding is well?)
Compression is ideally a much less linear process than EQ. The shape of the envelopes ( which can also be a big factor in the difference in sound between various simple subtractive synths ) and how they respond to the input, what kind of saturation they might add, and other "under the hood" elements can make one compressor more or less suitable or pleasing situationally. In the analog days, these were either component dependent and thus unable to be altered, or simply set to a value the engineer considered appropriate for the particular device and were unalterable by the user, based on the economics of adding additional knobs and end user simplicity (aka not enough options or range to cock things up :0) ).

Thus you got the traditional studio workflow of many different compressors that would be reached for depending on the task. One that you like for subtle, transparent vocal leveling is probably not the one thats going to smash your parallel drum mix bus to your liking. Since so many compressor plug ins go for religiously faithful analog recreations based on marketing to those who either buy into the legend of these older units ( or actually used them and feel at home with their familiar workflow and pleasing idiosyncrasies ) and since compression is such a common vital task, we get the situation of a million compressor plugs on the market.

But I'm super happy to see this one out since U-he quality and a much higher level of customization than most makes it a welcome addition.

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Urs wrote:
Caine123 wrote:i loooooooooooooooooove u-he, but please someone tell me why we need so many compressors on the market ? :D
The market needed so many compressors because we hadn't done one yet.

sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
I know you're joking, but come on... who do you mean when you say "we"?

I thought Sascha was behind Presswerk?
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.

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We're all specialists at something, but it's the team making good things better. As Howard once put it: we're a like a band.
Sascha Eversmeier
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]

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Works the other way around too - a brilliant guitar-player in a sucky band will tend to sound sucky. ;-)

I didn't have a chance to check Presswerk out yet, but while I was always a huge fan of both Blockfish and Endorphin, my usual impression of U-He plugins (rare exceptions such as Bazille aside) is rather "meh with a brilliant GUI and yet even more brilliant (albeit - or maybe because - stoopid) marketing*", so I yet have to become convinced that this "band"-thing works out in favour of your plugins' quality. ;-)


*and with presets which are 90% unuseable for me :razz:
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.

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jens wrote:
Urs wrote:
Caine123 wrote:i loooooooooooooooooove u-he, but please someone tell me why we need so many compressors on the market ? :D
The market needed so many compressors because we hadn't done one yet.

sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
I know you're joking, but come on... who do you mean when you say "we"?

I thought Sascha was behind Presswerk?
Sascha wrote most of the DSP code, but that doesn't make it *his* product.

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Well, it's not s-ev, is it?
WEASEL: World Electro-Acoustic Sound Excitation Laboratories

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So other than the GUI looking terrific, what is it that people specifically like about this?

I've got a million compressors. My "character" comp is NI supercharger GT. My buss comp is solid buss comp. Also from NI, I use the 160 for bass guitar, and sometimes the LA-2A on guitar.

Does this do anything that other comps don't do?

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hibidy wrote:So other than the GUI looking terrific, what is it that people specifically like about this?

I've got a million compressors. My "character" comp is NI supercharger GT. My buss comp is solid buss comp. Also from NI, I use the 160 for bass guitar, and sometimes the LA-2A on guitar.

Does this do anything that other comps don't do?
My main character comp was Ni supercharger GT but Presswerk may replace it for some sounds. The saturation in Presswerk doesn't colour the sound as much if dialed down right and can sound a lot more natural whilst keeping the sound powerful.

It is the only comp I have managed to get a serious ThWack on a kick drum too.

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hibidy wrote:So other than the GUI looking terrific, what is it that people specifically like about this?
-I specifically like that it has a sidechain delay parameter instead of a switch as well as RMS window parameter instead of a peak/rms switch.

-I specifically like that if looks and sounds great while not taking much CPU

-M/S mode, int/ext sidechain parameter instead of a switch, the ratio has a "non lin" parameter that can make the transfer curve more (in layman terms) "vari-mu" like or the opposite of that.

-I specifically like that it has a CLIPPER! That's great for shaping attack, Blockfish also has a clipper under the hood which gave it a significant part of it's character IMO.

-I specifically like the saturation flexibility, dynamic sat will only smooth up those -pesky- peaks while warmth control tilts the spectrum to react differently when hitting the saturation stage.

With high values of warmth, I can achieve my favorite "hysteresis" trick I always like to use on sharp shaker and/or vocal esses... or any stuff with high amounts of high freqs to smooth/warm them up.

This type of effect generates progressively lower freqs from high freqs... so that's how "warmth" is born. ;)
Here's an audio example I did a while back using the TB ReelBus plug for achieving similar effect: https://app.box.com/s/7h8aokc68ewo8li00yse

-I specifically like the expand feature and how that works in conjunction with auto-make-up gain + dry/wet control resulting in a unique kind of parallel compression I never encountered before!

So yeah... I specifically like this compressor! :tu:

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Cintronic wrote:
hibidy wrote:So other than the GUI looking terrific, what is it that people specifically like about this?

I've got a million compressors. My "character" comp is NI supercharger GT. My buss comp is solid buss comp. Also from NI, I use the 160 for bass guitar, and sometimes the LA-2A on guitar.

Does this do anything that other comps don't do?
My main character comp was Ni supercharger GT but Presswerk may replace it for some sounds. The saturation in Presswerk doesn't colour the sound as much if dialed down right and can sound a lot more natural whilst keeping the sound powerful.

It is the only comp I have managed to get a serious ThWack on a kick drum too.
Interesting.

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3ee wrote:
hibidy wrote:So other than the GUI looking terrific, what is it that people specifically like about this?
-I specifically like that it has a sidechain delay parameter instead of a switch as well as RMS window parameter instead of a peak/rms switch.

-I specifically like that if looks and sounds great while not taking much CPU

-M/S mode, int/ext sidechain parameter instead of a switch, the ratio has a "non lin" parameter that can make the transfer curve more (in layman terms) "vari-mu" like or the opposite of that.

-I specifically like that it has a CLIPPER! That's great for shaping attack, Blockfish also has a clipper under the hood which gave it a significant part of it's character IMO.

-I specifically like the saturation flexibility, dynamic sat will only smooth up those -pesky- peaks while warmth control tilts the spectrum to react differently when hitting the saturation stage.

With high values of warmth, I can achieve my favorite "hysteresis" trick I always like to use on sharp shaker and/or vocal esses... or any stuff with high amounts of high freqs to smooth/warm them up.

This type of effect generates progressively lower freqs from high freqs... so that's how "warmth" is born. ;)
Here's an audio example I did a while back using the TB ReelBus plug for achieving similar effect: https://app.box.com/s/7h8aokc68ewo8li00yse

-I specifically like the expand feature and how that works in conjunction with auto-make-up gain + dry/wet control resulting in a unique kind of parallel compression I never encountered before!

So yeah... I specifically like this compressor! :tu:
Also interesting. Thanks to both of you for answering, that actually sounds like something to consider.

Ok, I'll give it a whirl soon.

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OK, time for fun :hyper: : https://app.box.com/s/e483xe26e1qzld6dd0op

The link contains some init and "mojo" patches as well of some experiments, besides the emulation patches.
You'll find workflow info within each patch, hope you'll enjoy! :)

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