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liquidsound wrote:Really?
How close is it then to Sylenth1, IYHO?
Soundwise?
I'd say about 90% in its current form.
According to pdxindy its not even close so it could in reality be as little as 10% (according to pdxindy)
Download the demos let your own ears be the judge and jury :)

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kurodo wrote:
liquidsound wrote:Really?
How close is it then to Sylenth1, IYHO?
Soundwise?
I'd say about 90% in its current form.
According to pdxindy its not even close so it could in reality be as little as 10% (according to pdxindy)
Download the demos let your own ears be the judge and jury :)
I can't agree with you on soundwise.
To me, just the lower end of Hive declares a supremacy over Sylenth1, and I can't really hear the 90% you are hearing.
Yes, Hive can be made to sound like Sylenth1 (and better IMO), but not as its mission but rather as a byproduct of Hive's quality.
MuLab-Reaper of course :D

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liquidsound wrote: I can't agree with you on soundwise.
To me, just the lower end of Hive declares a supremacy over Sylenth1, and I can't really hear the 90% you are hearing.
Yes, Hive can be made to sound like Sylenth1 (and better IMO), but not as its mission but rather as a byproduct of Hive's quality.
The lower end of Sylenth is somewhat lacking I totally agree.

Its ok I think I get it now, Urs possibly decided to make a Synth a bit like Sylenth that is nothing like it.
:D
And you can all go about your business telling people Hive is nothing like Sylenth.
Of course that is until the next thread pops up asking for a comparable Synth to Sylenth.
And guess what? the dogs will be out in force to convince us all otherwise :)

For me Sylenth has quality in the right hands and Lennard was years ahead of the game.
Much respect to him for what he created.

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It's exactly like Sylenth1. Hive is Sylenth1 looking into a mirror! :lol:




I haven't tested it. But I do believe there is only 1 Sylenth1 and there is only 1 Hive. :)

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liquidsound wrote:
kurodo wrote:
liquidsound wrote:Really?
How close is it then to Sylenth1, IYHO?
Soundwise?
I'd say about 90% in its current form.
According to pdxindy its not even close so it could in reality be as little as 10% (according to pdxindy)
Download the demos let your own ears be the judge and jury :)
I can't agree with you on soundwise.
To me, just the lower end of Hive declares a supremacy over Sylenth1, and I can't really hear the 90% you are hearing.
Yes, Hive can be made to sound like Sylenth1 (and better IMO), but not as its mission but rather as a byproduct of Hive's quality.
Of course they are similar the same way every 2 Osc VA subtractive synth is similar. Some people think most basic VA synths sound mostly the same and others hear much more difference... so it depends from person to person on how that is measured.

I also think the low end of Hive is distinctly better than Sylenth. IMO that is the main thing that is a weakness with Sylenth (low end). Besides that, Sylenth is excellent, has its own character and they are two different synths.

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Orbit-50 wrote:It's exactly like Sylenth1. Hive is Sylenth1 looking into a mirror! :lol:
Interesting mirror that one ;-)

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kurodo wrote:Its ok I think I get it now, Urs possibly decided to make a Synth a bit like Sylenth that is nothing like it.
My goodness, what a thread derailment!

I'd agree that Hive is quite similar to Sylenth1 in some ways. That doesn't make it illegal or even immoral. Analyzing your competitor while creating new products is just common sense and everyone does it, from processed food companies to car manufactures. Hive is u-he's take on a straightforward subtractive synth for a market where Sylenth1 is the reigning champion today. Other examples of such market copmetition are Coke vs Pepsi, Honda Civic vs Corolla, Burger King vs McDonalds, etc. This competition tends to be good for consumers because it encourages companies to compete for customers on features and price.

What is not considered legal in several countries is to use words or images that are trademarked. Nowhere has Urs said "Sylenth1 replacement" in any of his communications. If he did I'd argue that Lennar has every right to ask him to remove said mention to his brand and his product.

Urs has a brand in Diva/Zebra/etc that he's worked hard to build and it makes perfect sense to defend them.

For the record, I think it's fair that other companies get to do this too and pretty much any company mentioned in that "synth" compatibility list has some grounds for legal action, including Lennar.

It's the exact same reason when you buy a Korg Kronos they list their piano samples with vague names like "German and Japanese grands". Companies that say Steinway or Kawai or Bösendorfer have licensed (read, paid) for the rights to that name.

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Hehehe, what drama :)

Thing is, my lawyer advised me never to do first contact myself in such cases.

If anyone thinks that being worried about something as stupid as this is dumb, he can tell that to the roughly 20 people (wives and kids included) that depend on every single sale that we do. Developing software in a bedroom is one thing, but that's long gone. Running a company, no matter how small, comes with a responsibility and a strong sense of protecting the assets.

As fo Hive, it neither looks nor sounds like Sylenth. It doesn't even have the same feature set. It only shares certain basic concepts. We neither infringe copyrights nor do we even mention brand names in our "propaganda".

As for Diva, it simulates electronic circuits that have famously been used in a bunch of vintage synthesizers. That in itself isn't a violation of any copyright. As we don't have the dough or the connections that, say, Arturia have, we haven't gotten a single okay (or answer fwiw) from any of those companies. We therefore checked our UI and even our marketing stuff with a lawyer to feel on the safe side.

We put a lot of work, money and thought into doing things right. When people mistook Presswerk for an exact emulation of certain compressors, we dropped that idea. This was a massive disaster for us, but we did it anyway because it was the right thing to do.

As I said, Best Service can sample our stuff as much as they want, no problem. Using our brand names or artwork in their marketing material might be a problem though.

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Urs wrote:Hehehe, what drama :)
:D
That's KVR for you.
Urs wrote: Thing is, my lawyer advised me never to do first contact myself in such cases.
I bet he did :)
Lawyers seem to like first, second, third and so on contact.
Actually in this case I still think first contact would have been more appropriate, you've got a good reputation in the industry so I am sure any such videos that violated any of your products would be pulled immediately.
Urs wrote: As I said, Best Service can sample our stuff as much as they want, no problem. Using our brand names or artwork in their marketing material might be a problem though.
That's actually quite generous of you.
I wouldn't be too happy if someone sampled anything I made especially without at first contacting me to get clearance.
I can also see why you are not happy for them to use your brand name and artwork.

Right I better scupper off before the Dogs arrive and rip me to pieces. :)

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I don't agree about Sylenth's supposedly missing low end.
The housing of my left speaker always starts to produce an odd vibration sound with very low sounds, and it does that with Sylenth basses as well. If there were no low end, it would not do that.


Regarding advertising and names. just yesterday there was a deodorant commercial on TV where Rexona clearly said that their black and white product is superior to Nivea's :o I don't remember having such a commercial before, I bet it is dangerous terrain. Probably they already got a visit from Nivea's lawyers 8)

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This topic attracted me because when I bought Sylenth1 I also checked out the alternatives and had to make a decision. My conclusion is: In general there is no alternative for none Synthesizer at all. Each Synthesizer has it`s very own and unique character, it`s own sound, it`s strengths and weaknesses, it`s own features, it`s own concept, some are specialists and some are very multisided and so on. If I buy a Synthesizer I buy it because of itself, because it is like it is. I don`t ask for alternatives because for me there is none.

So if someone asks me if there is an alternative for Sylenth my answer will always be: No. Sylenth is Sylenth. I feel same way like Orbit-50 when I listen to the sound of Sylenth 1. If one would ask me what makes Sylenth 1 outstanding or special, what is it`s main characteristic? I would say: The sound. Simply the sound. All other features there can be exchanged or topped easily by other Synthesizers but the sound is really unique I think. I don`t say Sylenth is the top or that there are no other Synthesizers with amazing sound or something like that I just say Sylenth is Sylenth and it is unique as well as each other Synthesizer on this planet and so my recommendation would be: If you fall in love with a Synthesizer, just buy it and don`t ask for alternatives, because you also wouldn`t ask for an alternative of your girlfriend (okay some maybe do :lol: ).

I don`t own Massive (yet :wink: ) so I can`t say anything about it, but I also can recommend Z3TA +2 and Synthmaster. But I don`t recommend them as an alternative for Sylenth 1, I recommend them, because they are what they are as well as Sylenth1 is what it is. Both (Z3TA+2 and Synthmaster) has a great sound and they are both very multisided. Both had been 50% off recently and so I took my chances. But they both definitely don`t sound same way as Sylenth does. With Sylenth1 you can play until 512 voices simultaneously and as far as I know this is unique but I cannot swear, maybe someone else knows it exactly. Hope this helps.
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+1

That's why i never get when people say "Oh well, i have enough of that kind of synthesizers in my arsenal, i don't need another one". Nothing will replace Sylenth1 for what it does, neither is that true for any other synths. There are some synths which are comparable, but still different. The ironic thing about that is that the same people claiming they don't need another of that type of synths are the ones which actually buy synths because they think they sound well. Well, if the sound doesn't matter, and you can do anything with any synth anyway, why does it matter then? There's something pretty paradox about that.

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fluffy_little_something wrote: Regarding advertising and names. just yesterday there was a deodorant commercial on TV where Rexona clearly said that their black and white product is superior to Nivea's :o I don't remember having such a commercial before, I bet it is dangerous terrain. Probably they already got a visit from Nivea's lawyers 8)
Comparative advertising like this is usually fair game, at least in the US. Similar to the Pepsi vs Coca Cola challenge in the 70s and 80s, and Siri vs Cortana more recently (or iPhone vs Galaxy). There are a ton of other examples. European laws regarding comparative advertising are, however, more stringent.

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Orbit-50 wrote:It's exactly like Sylenth1. Hive is Sylenth1 looking into a mirror! :lol:




I haven't tested it. But I do believe there is only 1 Sylenth1 and there is only 1 Hive. :)

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I am still happy with Sylenth, no regret so far. On the other hand the indirect way one has to produce the square/pulse still gets on my nerves. And that the load/save directory changes based on which directory I opened most recently, even outside of Sylenth. So sometimes I am lead to some DAW project folder, which makes no sense. With the SynthEdit preset manager, load/save always leads to the same directory, which is good.

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