Finally a new modular! (But it's in M4L)
- KVRAF
- 2545 posts since 15 Jan, 2013 from L'Écosse
I like it. Reminds me of Mux. I think I will try it out. Demo sounds OK, apart from that obligatory Sylenth1 acid squelch. Oh yeah, gotta have that one. Oh yeah.
- KVRAF
- 1724 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from betwixt
Finally bought Live 9 in mid 2014. Man do I hate this thing.ariston wrote:Live is not really the king of optimization.
So much potential, but it is a constant crashfest, lets me get 2 to 3 minutes into a complex project and then nothing will stay in synch... Not even with an "export" (Render?). Probably has something to do with my lack of CPU power, so I have hopes of getting it to work.
For now it's just a sound design tool in my arsenal, and for that it's amazing and works quite well. But for playing in sections one at a time "live" - never was something so inappropriately named. Ha ha!
The modular M4L instrument looks fantastic though.
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- KVRian
- 959 posts since 27 Jun, 2011
I meant that BEAP is free from Cycling74 and covers most of what this does: https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/beap-po ... -max-live/Aiynzahev wrote:It's not free no. $100 is fine, it's niche after-all.
$100 is indeed fine for niche, but it's also a proprietary format. KarmaFX is a couple of dollars more and runs as a VST. But that's just my take. BEAP is all I need for tinkering.
- KVRAF
- 2545 posts since 15 Jan, 2013 from L'Écosse
I don't know, dude. Much as I love BEAP the average synth user isn't going to surf to GITHUB and go through all the material there. It's two different markets. BEAP, though, is great as a teaching tool, no doubt about it.
- KVRAF
- 3879 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat
Wow, that sounds bad. How old IS your computer?Codestation wrote:Finally bought Live 9 in mid 2014. Man do I hate this thing.ariston wrote:Live is not really the king of optimization.
So much potential, but it is a constant crashfest, lets me get 2 to 3 minutes into a complex project and then nothing will stay in synch... Not even with an "export" (Render?). Probably has something to do with my lack of CPU power, so I have hopes of getting it to work.
At a rough estimate, Reaper is about 20-40% more efficient on my machine, depending on the number of tracks and plugins, obviously. Which is why I do my mixing in Reaper. Live can't handle Satson, Satin and Ozone all at once on 10-15 tracks/buses.
I'm sure there are reasons for this, but I'm not a programmer. But it does make me a bit sceptical where something as complex as a modular is concerned.
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- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
MUX can also load any VST, VSTi ,Rewire etc. and make them part of the modular environment with specific modules to access many of their parameters.Examigan wrote:Is this similar to MUX?
But I guess you know all this already if you know the MUX.
MuLab-Reaper of course
- KVRAF
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
This is excellent, reminds me of my Nord G2 but has more capabilities such as granular modules.
- KVRAF
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I just got Mux recently and am still diving into it but OMG, that is so awesome. I haven't gotten that far into it yet but yeah, it loads any VST DLL.liquidsound wrote:MUX can also load any VST, VSTi ,Rewire etc. and make them part of the modular environment with specific modules to access many of their parameters.Examigan wrote:Is this similar to MUX?
But I guess you know all this already if you know the MUX.
Okay, this just got REALLY interesting.
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- KVRAF
- 7751 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
Yes I have MUX, I was just wondering about this other product.liquidsound wrote:MUX can also load any VST, VSTi ,Rewire etc. and make them part of the modular environment with specific modules to access many of their parameters.Examigan wrote:Is this similar to MUX?
But I guess you know all this already if you know the MUX.
- KVRAF
- 9577 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Are you referring to Mux within Mulab, as opposed to the VST version of Mux?liquidsound wrote:MUX can also load any VST, VSTi ,Rewire etc. and make them part of the modular environment with specific modules to access many of their parameters.Examigan wrote:Is this similar to MUX?
But I guess you know all this already if you know the MUX.
VST version doesnt do ReWire
Amazon: why not use an alternative
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- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
I use the one in MuLab for Rewire. I haven't tried the VST for Rewire yet.
Probably not...
Probably not...
MuLab-Reaper of course
- KVRAF
- 2545 posts since 15 Jan, 2013 from L'Écosse
Some very quick impressions running this in Live 9 on Yosemite:
- It can take quite a while (15-20 seconds) to load up an instrument for the first time (especially one with many modules). For the same instrument, changing presets is quick (obviously, since modules are the same).
- Oscillot is rock solid on Yosemite (Macbook Pro 15” late 2013 model). Not a single crash in the four or five hours I’ve been playing with it.
- Beyond four or five active voices it becomes a bit of a CPU hog.
- Wouldn’t work with Max 7 (at least for me). Had to revert to Max 6.1.
- Very intuitive to use. If you’re used to a modular environment like Mux then this should be easy to get accustomed to.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4014 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
Cool. From the video it sounded very good. Any comments on the sound itself of the oscs and filters for example?Nightpolymath wrote:Some very quick impressions running this in Live 9 on Yosemite:
All in all a blast to use, i.e. being able to build Max instruments without having to get out of the Live environment. Not as many modules as I would have liked (esp. oscillators) but I am told that they’re coming in future updates. There is a module list here http://maxforlive.com/library/device/27 ... lar-system
- It can take quite a while (15-20 seconds) to load up an instrument for the first time (especially one with many modules). For the same instrument, changing presets is quick (obviously, since modules are the same).
- Oscillot is rock solid on Yosemite (Macbook Pro 15” late 2013 model). Not a single crash in the four or five hours I’ve been playing with it.
- Beyond four or five active voices it becomes a bit of a CPU hog.
- Wouldn’t work with Max 7 (at least for me). Had to revert to Max 6.1.
- Very intuitive to use. If you’re used to a modular environment like Mux then this should be easy to get accustomed to.
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Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others
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- KVRian
- 908 posts since 10 Jan, 2010
was looking into it... for _most_ of the reasons people use modulars (this is the first I've heard of BEAP, so i haven't used it yet), BEAP would be fine.wasi wrote:I meant that BEAP is free from Cycling74 and covers most of what this does: https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/beap-po ... -max-live/Aiynzahev wrote:It's not free no. $100 is fine, it's niche after-all.
$100 is indeed fine for niche, but it's also a proprietary format. KarmaFX is a couple of dollars more and runs as a VST. But that's just my take. BEAP is all I need for tinkering.
however, BEAP is monophonic, and apparently oscillot is poly? so that's a pretty big win for other modular uses...