from that perspective - yeah sure.(and you knew you were getting
a good deal in the early 90s on the 2nd hand market!)
was surprised though at your quoted cost of 100$+ for a 'quality' VC0.
how does that mark up, out of interest? (better to know now, etc.)
Korg MS20M kit + SQ1 sequencer
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I'm not sure what you mean .. Go source the parts (PCB + components) for the YuSynth VCO and let me know what it comes out to. Then figure out the panel cost. I think I paid something like $40 or $50 just for the panel.mztk wrote:from that perspective - yeah sure.(and you knew you were getting
a good deal in the early 90s on the 2nd hand market!)
was surprised though at your quoted cost of 100$+ for a 'quality' VC0.
how does that mark up, out of interest? (better to know now, etc.)
Here's a kit for a thru-zero VCO = $200 without panel, knobs, jacks and connectors.
http://bridechamber.com/Teezer_PCB.html
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
i don't doubt what you're saying: that is all proper-proper.
pre-manuf'd pcb, getting a panel made- makes some 2nd
hand ads look attractive.
lol, 'the other approach' ... i mean, just maybe it does merit
its own thread: making a basic beginner's modular on bits of
vero board - i made some notes about this (again...) this
morning - without having to be high spec'. so proper dimension
panels etc. not critical, etc. if you can drill holes and use a
soldering iron
(i've got a couple of boxes of junk destined
for such a project)
that kind of thing.
pre-manuf'd pcb, getting a panel made- makes some 2nd
hand ads look attractive.
lol, 'the other approach' ... i mean, just maybe it does merit
its own thread: making a basic beginner's modular on bits of
vero board - i made some notes about this (again...) this
morning - without having to be high spec'. so proper dimension
panels etc. not critical, etc. if you can drill holes and use a
soldering iron
(i've got a couple of boxes of junk destined for such a project)
that kind of thing.
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
There are 2 different sub-conversations going about the "cost" of a VCO.mztk wrote:i don't doubt what you're saying: that is all proper-proper.
pre-manuf'd pcb, getting a panel made- makes some 2nd
hand ads look attractive.
lol, 'the other approach' ... i mean, just maybe it does merit
its own thread: making a basic beginner's modular on bits of
vero board - i made some notes about this (again...) this
morning - without having to be high spec'. so proper dimension
panels etc. not critical, etc. if you ca
You can strip board a VCO for about $15.00. However, that would be a "bleep/bloop" VCO and would be kind of rough on the ears if you took it out of its narrow voltage range. Maybe that's what you're after though. There are literally hundreds of beginner VCO tutorials on the intertubes. I started with one of those projects myself a few of years ago.
The other conversation was about someone claiming the cost of the MS20M+SQ1 was way too high because they had a friend that was building a DIY one for $200 or something. I was simply scoffing at that price declaration. If they managed to build some perf board clone for that price, it would not sound and behave like an MS20M at all.
I was trying to keep it apples to apples .. your goal was to have fun with a DIY VCO at a low cost. By the way, you also make it sound like you think this is some untapped community that might emerge if someone came up with a way to do it. But, DIY synth is a massive (for a niche) community with thousands of projects freely available at all difficulty/price points.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
got all that 
i started wandering around lots of sites a couple of years ago, blown
away by what people were doing. i felt vindicated by what i saw.
btw: there was an older project, where someone built twin ms20
clones - was well done. havn't been back to find out what it sounded
like finished. looked good though.
does this SQ1 have sequence memories? is it just straight gate on/off?
gate time? or do you just chain a few gates to make a longer note?
what are the features? looks like another volca - which is cool if it
isn't half-implemented.
i started wandering around lots of sites a couple of years ago, blown
away by what people were doing. i felt vindicated by what i saw.
btw: there was an older project, where someone built twin ms20
clones - was well done. havn't been back to find out what it sounded
like finished. looked good though.
does this SQ1 have sequence memories? is it just straight gate on/off?
gate time? or do you just chain a few gates to make a longer note?
what are the features? looks like another volca - which is cool if it
isn't half-implemented.
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- KVRian
- 858 posts since 25 Sep, 2014
I just got a mini yesterday and looking at what the sequencer would add (desktop module wasnt worth it to me and even with the sequencer I'd be up $500). I saw in the sonicstate clip that it functions as a cv output. Does this mean it can pull duty as a full time USB/MIDI to CV converter? I prefer to sequence from my DAW, but the only other converter I can find is a eurorack module.
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
it accepts only v/hz like the original. so probably puts out the same.
you're better off running it with the midi, for note on/off. and it needs
s-trig for the gate(been genning up...) so it wold trig strangely from eg:
a x0x - although you can pull the jack halfway out i seem to rmmber, of
s-trig - or build a simple circuit with about 5 components to rvrse it.
doesn't fix your v/hz though.
bass station rack sends out v/hz if you want other than ch1, or there's
the kenton pro1 that does v/hz and gves 1 extra mod cv.
and there's a bodge with the 'total' cv input where you use the modwhl cv
for an approximation of v/oct.
when i had an ms10, i just let it do stupid stuff mismatching them, was ok
(for a bit, and then you want some true pitching)
are you happy with it? what's it like? i sold the 10 many yrs ago with
intention of rplacing it with the 20, but nevr got round to it in time.
you're better off running it with the midi, for note on/off. and it needs
s-trig for the gate(been genning up...) so it wold trig strangely from eg:
a x0x - although you can pull the jack halfway out i seem to rmmber, of
s-trig - or build a simple circuit with about 5 components to rvrse it.
doesn't fix your v/hz though.
bass station rack sends out v/hz if you want other than ch1, or there's
the kenton pro1 that does v/hz and gves 1 extra mod cv.
and there's a bodge with the 'total' cv input where you use the modwhl cv
for an approximation of v/oct.
when i had an ms10, i just let it do stupid stuff mismatching them, was ok
(for a bit, and then you want some true pitching)
are you happy with it? what's it like? i sold the 10 many yrs ago with
intention of rplacing it with the 20, but nevr got round to it in time.
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- KVRian
- 858 posts since 25 Sep, 2014
Sorry, I meant a midi to V/Oct converter so I can control cutoff and other fun stuff. I'm fine with using MIDI for pitch.
Overall I'm damn happy with it. It is pretty hissy through headphones, though it can be largely EQ'd out and isn't as much of a problem when recorded. It's my first hardware synth and it's great fun screwing around with patch cables. There's something neat about taking a (admittedly repro of a) synth from 1978 and sequencing it with a phone. The mini keys aren't bothering me at all, but I'm not exactly a great synth player or anything.
Think I'm going to try to do a cover of Neon Lights or something to get more acquainted.
Overall I'm damn happy with it. It is pretty hissy through headphones, though it can be largely EQ'd out and isn't as much of a problem when recorded. It's my first hardware synth and it's great fun screwing around with patch cables. There's something neat about taking a (admittedly repro of a) synth from 1978 and sequencing it with a phone. The mini keys aren't bothering me at all, but I'm not exactly a great synth player or anything.
Think I'm going to try to do a cover of Neon Lights or something to get more acquainted.
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
these projects look pretty good judging by the vids.SJ_Digriz wrote:http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/inde ... 89&VPH=895mztk wrote:would be cool to get together a 'modular for the people' project,
using cheaper, readily available parts, to get a system going on
the cheap - it must be possible to build some sort of VCO for
less than 100$ in parts?!!
anyway, most beginners will be delighted to get some filthy
farty analogue monster mono going built out of junk parts.
it might not enter the realms of modular nirvana, but it's a
starting point. what do you reckon?
This one is not bad and depending on how you power and panel it, you can keep it under $50. It doesn't track very well over a wide range. And, it is lacking in the "girth" factor. But, it is a perfectly functional VCO and fairly straight forward to build.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
I notice there's no conventional MIDI in on the SQ1.
However I do see Sync In, which appears to be similar to the sync on the Volca's.
My Volca Beats is already receiving MIDI in from my DAW, so I intend to run a sync out from this into the SQ1. From there I'll go CV out to my MS20.
Do we think this will work?
However I do see Sync In, which appears to be similar to the sync on the Volca's.
My Volca Beats is already receiving MIDI in from my DAW, so I intend to run a sync out from this into the SQ1. From there I'll go CV out to my MS20.
Do we think this will work?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
yeah, in essence, but i think you hav to start the sync-slaved
device manually. i had midi running a ('top') volca eg: beats,
with others slaved, and to my great disgust the others are not
midi-starting now..? i hadn't noticed that before...
i was wondering: how about a volca sending cv+gate out?
getting all the waveform outputs flying out CVs, to provide
FM and stuff to other things? (really, the mods published so
far are quite slim - no info about any pulldown on rez and
things like that - stuff that could make the vcf/EG/etc
relationships more versatile)
device manually. i had midi running a ('top') volca eg: beats,
with others slaved, and to my great disgust the others are not
midi-starting now..? i hadn't noticed that before...
i was wondering: how about a volca sending cv+gate out?
getting all the waveform outputs flying out CVs, to provide
FM and stuff to other things? (really, the mods published so
far are quite slim - no info about any pulldown on rez and
things like that - stuff that could make the vcf/EG/etc
relationships more versatile)
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- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
(has to be said, volca ouput can be a bit 'generic', but what
brilliant little machines! i have to get MIDI out fitted to all of
them - and i'd like to figure out a sync clock divide for keys
to slow it down a lot when in flux mode..to correct the
timing, so you can use it as a phrase arp with up to 64 mini
patterns > sending out MIDI, this would be top)
(hey; CVs IN! that should be quite easy: cut track to middle
leg(?) of a pot ad insert a closed minijack, for external mod
of all parameters? is this correct? would it need a resistor on
those?)
> mind: *not* having MIDI sync in, and just slowing down
internal clock, to send out patterns to a midi recording
device could be ok too, with incoming midi quantize on...)
brilliant little machines! i have to get MIDI out fitted to all of
them - and i'd like to figure out a sync clock divide for keys
to slow it down a lot when in flux mode..to correct the
timing, so you can use it as a phrase arp with up to 64 mini
patterns > sending out MIDI, this would be top)
(hey; CVs IN! that should be quite easy: cut track to middle
leg(?) of a pot ad insert a closed minijack, for external mod
of all parameters? is this correct? would it need a resistor on
those?)
> mind: *not* having MIDI sync in, and just slowing down
internal clock, to send out patterns to a midi recording
device could be ok too, with incoming midi quantize on...)
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 4 Jul, 2014
Hi,
has anyone checked if the SQ-1 does as converter MIDI(USB) to CV/Gate ?
In other words, if I connect the SQ-1 to a DAW (with usb) and I send MIDI notes (to SQ-1), are these transmitted to the CV/Gate OUT (even with the sequencer ON but not running) ?
This would be a very important feature if confirmed.
has anyone checked if the SQ-1 does as converter MIDI(USB) to CV/Gate ?
In other words, if I connect the SQ-1 to a DAW (with usb) and I send MIDI notes (to SQ-1), are these transmitted to the CV/Gate OUT (even with the sequencer ON but not running) ?
This would be a very important feature if confirmed.
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 4 Jul, 2014
From Korg site (FAQ / Tips):
Using the SQ-1 as a MIDI-CV converter:
When the SQ-1 receives a note message via USB MIDI, it outputs the corresponding CV and GATE, allowing you to use the SQ-1 as a MIDI-CV converter. However, if the SQ-1 itself is outputting a CV, such as while the sequencer is running, that operation takes priority, and MIDI-CV conversion is not performed.
Wow! I think it's great news!
Using the SQ-1 as a MIDI-CV converter:
When the SQ-1 receives a note message via USB MIDI, it outputs the corresponding CV and GATE, allowing you to use the SQ-1 as a MIDI-CV converter. However, if the SQ-1 itself is outputting a CV, such as while the sequencer is running, that operation takes priority, and MIDI-CV conversion is not performed.
Wow! I think it's great news!
