Better analogue sound(vst)
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034
- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
If you want real analogue - buy real analogue. You ain't gonna get it from a softsynth. It will always be an unfulfilling compromise and you will be forever chasing the marketing blurb on the latest 'the most analogue sounding vst ever!!!!' lines from the devs. There are many great little (mostly monophonic) analogue boxes that sell for the same price as a decent softsynth now (korg monotron series/monotribe/volca series, Akai Rhythm Wolf, Arturia Microbrute, MFB Nanozwerg... plus there's always bargains to be had on ebay). Seeing as most uses of analogue synths are monophonic you can't go wrong. Plus you will have a lot more fun with a piece of hardware rather than clicking the mouse all day
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- KVRAF
- 11098 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I agree, I'm a guitarist who got in to synths via vst and then started buying g a bit of analogue (monotribe about £100, Microbrute - £200 (gateway drug!)- Analogue 4 £800) - it seems more expensive to get hardware, but add up what you have spent on software....
I have Diva, Lush 101 etc- good sounding virtual analogue. Real analogue instruments sound different, not necessarily better (I can normally make them sound bad!) but more raw, less polished and normally more alive. They do NOT sound better, they sound different, if you prefer that sound, then they sound better to you! (I remember when you could get analogue stuff for next to nothing when the DX7 and samplers came out and everyone decided digital sounded better!
Personally, I think the microbrute/monotribe sounds pretty thin and dull until I put it through a bt of delay and a good reverb (VSTS!) If I put a little compression on the track as well there is very little difference between this and say Diva run at HQ other than one knob per function and no CPU use.
As well as running my real analogue through VSTs effects, I run VSTi's (with all VSTi effects off) out through my sends to a TL Audio duel valve pre-amp (cheap valve pre-amps are easy to come by) and then back to the returns and add high quality stand alone VSTi effects such as Ubbermod and Shimmer (Valhalla, both $50 each) and/or Satin (U-HE) for simulated tape warmth and movement. 'I' cant tell the difference between this and my real analogue... but then as I said when I started, I'm primarily a guitarist....A duel valve pre will cost under $200 and is also great for direct recording in with say a guitar before guitar rig ...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TPSII
If you budget runs to it...Keep an eye on Overbridge also for Analogue4, it may seem expensive to buy one of these boxes, but if Overbridge works as advertised you will be able to run any VST out through the Analog4's filters and analogue FX and back via a USB cable as a VST effect (as well as have real analogue controlled as a VST)
I have Diva, Lush 101 etc- good sounding virtual analogue. Real analogue instruments sound different, not necessarily better (I can normally make them sound bad!) but more raw, less polished and normally more alive. They do NOT sound better, they sound different, if you prefer that sound, then they sound better to you! (I remember when you could get analogue stuff for next to nothing when the DX7 and samplers came out and everyone decided digital sounded better!
Personally, I think the microbrute/monotribe sounds pretty thin and dull until I put it through a bt of delay and a good reverb (VSTS!) If I put a little compression on the track as well there is very little difference between this and say Diva run at HQ other than one knob per function and no CPU use.
As well as running my real analogue through VSTs effects, I run VSTi's (with all VSTi effects off) out through my sends to a TL Audio duel valve pre-amp (cheap valve pre-amps are easy to come by) and then back to the returns and add high quality stand alone VSTi effects such as Ubbermod and Shimmer (Valhalla, both $50 each) and/or Satin (U-HE) for simulated tape warmth and movement. 'I' cant tell the difference between this and my real analogue... but then as I said when I started, I'm primarily a guitarist....A duel valve pre will cost under $200 and is also great for direct recording in with say a guitar before guitar rig ...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TPSII
If you budget runs to it...Keep an eye on Overbridge also for Analogue4, it may seem expensive to buy one of these boxes, but if Overbridge works as advertised you will be able to run any VST out through the Analog4's filters and analogue FX and back via a USB cable as a VST effect (as well as have real analogue controlled as a VST)
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- KVRAF
- 18436 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Excellent post.SLiC wrote: Real analogue instruments sound different, not necessarily better (I can normally make them sound bad!) but more raw, less polished and normally more alive. They do NOT sound better, they sound different, if you prefer that sound, then they sound better to you! (I remember when you could get analogue stuff for next to nothing when the DX7 and samplers came out and everyone decided digital sounded better!
My point being that most of the people who are chasing after the mythical analog Unicorn don't actually know what it is they are chasing and have never owned any analog gear. The just drank the "analog is better" koolaid without ever questioning the myth.
So once again many of us know Analog = Different but are of the opinion that Analog is not superior to digital.
But once you say that here come the pitch forks and torches as the ana masses storm the castle of logic and reason.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35098 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
Thisdo_androids_dream wrote:If you want real analogue - buy real analogue. You ain't gonna get it from a softsynth.
- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
No, i'm very satisfied with my Decapitator and Saturn. Would miss them alot. The ITB sounds "weak" when turning them off. I don't get why people make those threads always pro/contra. The OP asked clearly for a VST solution so saying buy analogue makes no sense. On the other side do you really think that all the mojo available as plugin are nonsense then? So all the devs are ripping us off? SoundToys, FabFilter, SlateDigital, U-he to name a few?thecontrolcentre wrote:Thisdo_androids_dream wrote:If you want real analogue - buy real analogue. You ain't gonna get it from a softsynth.
Also your analogue gear have to go trough A/D so in the end it's exactly what that you can't recreate digitally?
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35098 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
I certainly didn't suggest anyone was ripping anyone off. There's nothing wrong with Decapitor or Saturn I'm sure (don't have them myself) ... in fact there's nothing wrong with VA either. It's not a matter of pro/contra, it's just not analog is all ....
- KVRAF
- 1771 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 167 posts since 8 May, 2008
If you analize the spectrum of an analogue sound with a diigital sound you will find the digital sound to be much more cleaner... An analogue sound has much more actually unwanted harmonics, noise and other annomalities comoared to modern VST sounds and virtuall analogue sounds..
This is what most call the character of real analogue sounds..(thats also why some get better results with sampled sounds as they do have these imperfections build into the sample)
Now with modern technollogy, it should be possible to recreate this imperfection in effects, this will not really recreate the imperfections of the orriginall sounds, but it should give your new sounds that analogue warmth and feel.
http://youtu.be/YsZKvLnf7wU
( i have added a video explaining the perfect spectrum of current digitally created sounds)
This is what most call the character of real analogue sounds..(thats also why some get better results with sampled sounds as they do have these imperfections build into the sample)
Now with modern technollogy, it should be possible to recreate this imperfection in effects, this will not really recreate the imperfections of the orriginall sounds, but it should give your new sounds that analogue warmth and feel.
http://youtu.be/YsZKvLnf7wU
( i have added a video explaining the perfect spectrum of current digitally created sounds)
- KVRAF
- 9569 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Get a tube preamp, behringer sell several options all cheaper than your average vst plugin
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- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I don't think a good VA needs any additional help. I personally love the XILS synths for a vintage vibe. However, check out Virsyn's VTAPE.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 167 posts since 8 May, 2008
I am going to test this one...VariKusBrainZ wrote:Get a tube preamp, behringer sell several options all cheaper than your average vst plugin
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/fre ... in-608574/
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 167 posts since 8 May, 2008
Will check out bothzerocrossing wrote:I don't think a good VA needs any additional help. I personally love the XILS synths for a vintage vibe. However, check out Virsyn's VTAPE.
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
It's a good plugin in that. Very cheap too!Sjefke wrote:I am going to test this one...VariKusBrainZ wrote:Get a tube preamp, behringer sell several options all cheaper than your average vst plugin
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/fre ... in-608574/
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- KVRAF
- 3889 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Seeking the analog sound is also an aesthetic choice, it's like choosing colours or paint.
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- KVRAF
- 1821 posts since 26 Nov, 2005 from Where silence and chaos meet.
It's not just the harmonies (that is just a small part of it) but the dynamic as well, either synth env or compressors.
Analogue, VA, digital... All got their places and we all know how this thread will finish...
Now, for something more important, my girlfriend is giving me a worried evil eye. The fact that she sees me reading then replying on something tagged on Chrome as a "better anal..." tab might have to do with it...
Analogue, VA, digital... All got their places and we all know how this thread will finish...
Now, for something more important, my girlfriend is giving me a worried evil eye. The fact that she sees me reading then replying on something tagged on Chrome as a "better anal..." tab might have to do with it...
It's not what you use, it's how you use it...