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jbw · Post by **jbw** » Tue May 05, 2015 12:28 am

Can anyone recommend a good drum sequencer vst?

Don't care too much about samples, as I have plenty, but if it has the ability to stand alone I suppose that's a bonus. I mainly want it to drive the drum rack in Ableton Live, so midi out is a must.

I know of a few out there, like Tattoo from Audio Damage and Microtonic from Sonic Charge. Honestly those look like they'd do the job, and then some, but just wanted to see if there were some others worth checking out.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

waltercruz · Post by **waltercruz** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:06 am

Fxpansion Geist.

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:28 am

not trying to be difficult, but I'm curious why you want a drum sequencer for ableton? The midi clip view in session mode in ableton is so much like a drum sequencer when you only have one bar and the grid is set to 16th notes. Plus you have the option to get more complicated if you choose to. Maybe there's an advantage I'm not thinking of..

lobanov · Post by **lobanov** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:31 am

iDrum (https://www.izotope.com/idrum) but seems to be abandonned.
Jamstix (http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix3_upd.html) but not only serqencer.
Nerve (https://www.xferrecords.com/products/nerve) but I have not demoed it yet.
MDrummer (http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/ ... mmer+Large) but not only seqencer too.
Liquid Rithm (http://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/) but strange and Java.
Groove Drums (http://www.imea-studio.com/ProductGrooveDrums.aspx) but I don't like it.
Drum Loop (http://www.ntsaudio.com/beat-generators/drum-loop) but "one-knob" (see the video), strange and for (crazy?) DJs only.
Hydrogen (http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/2) but standalone only and no VST.
Web Audio Drum Machine (http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trun ... chine.html) but you need VST version of Chrome, Mozilla or any browser (HTML5 capable!)
May be something else?

Kinh · Post by **Kinh** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:42 am

Transfuser

Astralv · Post by **Astralv** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:27 am

I personally use Maschine and Beat Tweaked (Izotope). But there much more. Arthuria has Spark, Image line has drum synth...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:38 am

waltercruz wrote:Fxpansion Geist.

+1

jbw · Post by **jbw** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:41 am

Thanks for the replies.

stillshaded wrote:not trying to be difficult, but I'm curious why you want a drum sequencer for ableton? The midi clip view in session mode in ableton is so much like a drum sequencer when you only have one bar and the grid is set to 16th notes. Plus you have the option to get more complicated if you choose to. Maybe there's an advantage I'm not thinking of..

Ease of use mainly. Setting up everything manually in Live is a bit of a pain, plus a VST potentially has more options.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:57 am

If you use M4L with Live, then there's a huge selection available to you....

Here's one to get you started: http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... hm-builder

Timman · Post by **Timman** » Tue May 05, 2015 9:38 am

lobanov wrote:iDrum (https://www.izotope.com/idrum) but seems to be abandonned.
Jamstix (http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix3_upd.html) but not only serqencer.
Nerve (https://www.xferrecords.com/products/nerve) but I have not demoed it yet.
MDrummer (http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/ ... mmer+Large) but not only seqencer too.
Liquid Rithm (http://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/) but strange and Java.
Groove Drums (http://www.imea-studio.com/ProductGrooveDrums.aspx) but I don't like it.
Drum Loop (http://www.ntsaudio.com/beat-generators/drum-loop) but "one-knob" (see the video), strange and for (crazy?) DJs only.
Hydrogen (http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/node/2) but standalone only and no VST.
Web Audio Drum Machine (http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trun ... chine.html) but you need VST version of Chrome, Mozilla or any browser (HTML5 capable!)
May be something else?

WoW, thanks for this list!

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Tue May 05, 2015 12:08 pm

stillshaded wrote:not trying to be difficult, but I'm curious why you want a drum sequencer for ableton? The midi clip view in session mode in ableton is so much like a drum sequencer when you only have one bar and the grid is set to 16th notes. Plus you have the option to get more complicated if you choose to. Maybe there's an advantage I'm not thinking of..

There are A LOT of things that can be done regarding drum machine sequencers that cant be done using your regular DAW editor. Some drum machines propose such tools. And there's still a lot to invent in this field.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue May 05, 2015 12:13 pm

Lotuzia wrote: There are A LOT of things that can be done regarding drum machine sequencers that cant be done using your regular DAW editor.

Could you mention some please?

Apostate · Post by **Apostate** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:00 pm

I'm still looking for a fairly comprehensive drum machine that offers extensive odd time presets for different genres, like Prog Rock, Death/Extreme Metal...even all the Dance genres if possible. I already own Battery, Polyplex, Nerve, Superior Drummer, Kontakt (everything from Komplete 10).

And I mean ready made presets.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:19 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Lotuzia wrote: There are A LOT of things that can be done regarding drum machine sequencers that cant be done using your regular DAW editor.
Could you mention some please?

Tatoo and Nerve for example can both do things your regular Daw Drum Edit cant do ( Random steps for example, probabilities of triggering a sound, way to trigg/change a pattern live ) . Drum Sequencers that can have different number of steps per line inside one 'pattern' can do also do things in a different way, opening the road for "eazy polyrythmic material". Same for real time functions. Not speaking here of the fact you can just launch a pattern, a song, and jam with it instantaneously ( compared to 'make a drum track then play with something else', so the worklow for inspiration can be very different, and even if its not always desired, it works when it is )

And there's a lot of other things you can do and to invent. In a drum machine + sequencer, which is one of the rare instruments where you have to handle both the -Modular- Instrument AND the Partition simulatneously, and due to the variety of symbolic items and the hierachical levels between these items, there are many many unexplored relations that can be established. I cant say more atm.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:32 pm

Apostate wrote:I'm still looking for a fairly comprehensive drum machine that offers extensive odd time presets for different genres, like Prog Rock, Death/Extreme Metal...even all the Dance genres if possible. I already own Battery, Polyplex, Nerve, Superior Drummer, Kontakt (everything from Komplete 10).

And I mean ready made presets.

I would be surprised that someone can make a drum machine which adress all genres with the same level of accuracy. Especially because drum vsti that attempt to mimic in the best way acoustic drums rely on huge sample content, and specific technologies to handle a lot of velocity layers, round robin etc. And these kind of Drum Vstis will of course be the prefered choice for genres that mainly rely on acoustic drums like prog rock, and tbh many varietys of rock, death/metal ( though I'm not really familiar with this kind of music), traditional Jazz, and well all the music you can imagine beeing spiced with acoustic drums. Then the best way to make proper tracks with these VSTI is probaby to play them, or to have specialised midi files. Because, ususally the music they are associated to dont go that well with repetitive patterns

This is very different for electronic drums. Where the synth engines etc also require specific technologies. As the sequencing objects do.

Help: Looking for a good drum sequencer vst