Is there any vst instrument or effect that does what Battery 4 SP1200 mode does OR BETTER?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 737 posts since 20 Sep, 2006
Im looking for that sp1200 sound...OR any other vintage samplers for that matter...that i can load as a vst instrument or effect. I want to load up samples and give them that old school lo fi sampler sound. I know about decimort. I find battery 4 does a much better job imitating the sp. Is there anything else out there that does a really good job imitating any old school LO FI samplers? Pls let me know, thanks!!!
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- KVRAF
- 9577 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
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- KVRian
- 776 posts since 6 Jan, 2006 from Premià
Morgana is a bit old but still good, loosely based on Ensoniq Mirage:
https://www.112db.com/vintage/morgana/
TAL Sampler is new and great,models several old sampler DACs:
http://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler
https://www.112db.com/vintage/morgana/
TAL Sampler is new and great,models several old sampler DACs:
http://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler
The mind boggles.
- KVRian
- 1280 posts since 26 Mar, 2004 from UK
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Not really aimed at old samplers, but this is great:
http://www.plogue.com/products/chipcrusher/
http://www.plogue.com/products/chipcrusher/
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- KVRian
- 1092 posts since 9 Apr, 2012
ADZE is pretty dope. Nice envelopes, shitload of Filters and wiered FFT stuff. I grew up with some people in the 90s who had all classic samplers incl. SP1200, MPC60 and EPS. Have not heard one piece of software that can replicate it exactly. You can get pretty close but some last Fearie Dust is still missing.
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- KVRian
- 1145 posts since 29 Jun, 2012
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- KVRist
- 282 posts since 24 Nov, 2014
I still have and use my old samplers (S900, S01, MPC2000XL and Roland S760) because nothing gets close to them (at least for my money) in plugin-land.
The digital module on SDRR by Klanghelm is very worthwhile. It's different, but good.
I wouldn't recommend anything other than a SP1200 for that sound.
The digital module on SDRR by Klanghelm is very worthwhile. It's different, but good.
I wouldn't recommend anything other than a SP1200 for that sound.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I really reject the "nothing gets close" attitude. I started on an original Emax, and I've also owned an EPS, ESI-32, and K2000. The Emax, obviously, was the most grungy of the bunch. And no, I've never heard anything that sounds exactly like it. But that doesn't mean modern alternatives sound worse- it just means each of these low bit rat solutions has their own slightly different sound. Is one "better" than the other? I really don't think so! These days, I'm either doing my bitcrushing in software, or in my Euro modular with a Doepfer sampler module, a Tyme Sefari 1, a Phonogene, a Malgorithm 1 or a Malgorithm 2. They all sound great.
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 1 Sep, 2015 from Denmark
I'm an underground hip-hop beatmaker who specializes in the boom-bap and golden-age sub-genres, (vinyl) sample-based of course. Especially the EMU SP-1200 and Akai MPC60 AD converter sounds are desired in those sub-genres, as you possibly may know. I own and have tested many DAW/VSTi samplers and VST bit-crushers for their ability to emulate/simulate the lo-fi SP-1200 sound. I can only say I've gotten the best results using ToneBoosters' TimeMachine VST bit-crusher.
Advice: In TimeMachine, I set the bit-rate to 12 bits and sample-rate around 22000 Hz as a starting point. Then the few other settings vary from sample to sample. There's a 12-bit preset included also. With certain samples you can get really close to the SP-1200 sound. I must, however, say that I don't feel any software has really nailed the 12-bit sound. You can get close though.
If you are a sample-digger it also has to be stated it helps a lot sampling from actual vinyl instead of MP3s or even worse: YouTube rips (yuck!)... Some well-carved EQ'ing also goes a long way.
D16's VST bit-crusher Decimort is also great (it's a classic anyway...), sometimes in combination with their VST distortion effect Devastor. FXpansion's VSTi/stand-alone sampler Geist has a built-in bit-crusher effect, also with a 12-bit preset, that can produce good results. Cyclone has a terrible workflow and has no x64 version. Same goes for 112db's Morgana (which is BTW actually too lo-fi for my taste as it actually emulates 8-bit hardware).
It's funny with all the technical software marvels that any software company is yet to accomplish something as simple (on paper!) as really nail the SP-1200 (and other classic 12-bit samplers) sound!
OP: Your question has been asked a lot on forums during the years - and someone always replies to "get a real SP-1200". And maybe they're right. I personally own a "vintage" Akai S1000 to achieve those gritty New York hip hop drums. The S1000 is actually 16-bit but it still has that gritty sound which fits well with the fact that some claim the desired lo-fi sound doesn't come as much from the sampler being 12-bit as it does from the AD converter and a number of other factors.
This also explains why simply converting a 16/24/whatever-bit sample to 12-bit in an audio editor doesn't do the trick.
Enough rambling!
Peace!
EDIT: Fixed some typos!
Advice: In TimeMachine, I set the bit-rate to 12 bits and sample-rate around 22000 Hz as a starting point. Then the few other settings vary from sample to sample. There's a 12-bit preset included also. With certain samples you can get really close to the SP-1200 sound. I must, however, say that I don't feel any software has really nailed the 12-bit sound. You can get close though.
If you are a sample-digger it also has to be stated it helps a lot sampling from actual vinyl instead of MP3s or even worse: YouTube rips (yuck!)... Some well-carved EQ'ing also goes a long way.
D16's VST bit-crusher Decimort is also great (it's a classic anyway...), sometimes in combination with their VST distortion effect Devastor. FXpansion's VSTi/stand-alone sampler Geist has a built-in bit-crusher effect, also with a 12-bit preset, that can produce good results. Cyclone has a terrible workflow and has no x64 version. Same goes for 112db's Morgana (which is BTW actually too lo-fi for my taste as it actually emulates 8-bit hardware).
It's funny with all the technical software marvels that any software company is yet to accomplish something as simple (on paper!) as really nail the SP-1200 (and other classic 12-bit samplers) sound!
OP: Your question has been asked a lot on forums during the years - and someone always replies to "get a real SP-1200". And maybe they're right. I personally own a "vintage" Akai S1000 to achieve those gritty New York hip hop drums. The S1000 is actually 16-bit but it still has that gritty sound which fits well with the fact that some claim the desired lo-fi sound doesn't come as much from the sampler being 12-bit as it does from the AD converter and a number of other factors.
This also explains why simply converting a 16/24/whatever-bit sample to 12-bit in an audio editor doesn't do the trick.
Enough rambling!
Peace!
EDIT: Fixed some typos!
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HW: Akai MPC2500, Akai S1000, Akai MPD18, Arturia SparkLE, Arturia MiniLab, M-Audio Audiophile USB + BX5a, Numark PT-01 USB, Maginon ACC-01.
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- KVRAF
- 40242 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from clown world
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- KVRAF
- 5427 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
You can get 12-bit sound with Bliss Sampler http://www.discodsp.com/bliss/ and down to 1-bit
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 6 May, 2002
Can you tell the samples apart?
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~nolting/220c/
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~nolting/220c/
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