Waves Codex...Not So Bad
- KVRist
- 379 posts since 29 Jul, 2013 from Toronto
It seems like with VST3, you don't have a choice, so perhaps you only installed that version?
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
You can't specify a location with waves central - if it's Windows the waveshell dll will be in Programs > VSTPlugins. I moved the waveshell dll to my preferred location and my waves plugins work fine.musikmachine wrote:Quick question, how the heck do you choose your default vst plugin folder, the central just installed it and didn't ask me for a location!
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
I agree with you here Theo - Codex has a very hardware-like thickness, warmth and weight to it - very rarely heard in software. The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.TheoM wrote:Hmm I know this isn't popular opinion but I prefer codex to serum. I'm with Simon on this one.
Now please understand I realise serum is many's dream synth and it's raved about everywhere.
Codex might be full of flaws but to a non synth guru like me it's immediately more accessible. Also there is something to the tone that I find gooey and pleasing. And thats my issue with serum. It's a monster synth with features galore but when it comes down to it I just don't like the tone
Initially I thought it was just the factory presets (and demo limitations frustrating me from learning it better myself), but over time, and hearing sounds from absolute gurus, I see now my opinion stands as no matter what I can hear this cold very calculated digitality to it that is always present. All for digital synths here, but why don't I hear for example that sort if thing in 25 yo synths like the wavestation? Even though WS is a thin synth there is something about it's basic tone I've always loved. This is why I pick codex over serum. It might not even be half the actual product but for my ear it sounds more pleasing.
- KVRian
- 1339 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from New York
It actually sounds like Hardware. Not many softsynths can sound like This.do_androids_dream wrote:The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
. Almost none. It's quite a lovely little demo actually - sounds like some of Eat Static's more mellow moments.BasariStudios wrote:It actually sounds like Hardware. Not many softsynths can sound like This.do_androids_dream wrote:The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.
- KVRAF
- 8620 posts since 2 Oct, 2006 from Leeds, UK
Oh yeah, it's been a while. Thanks!do_androids_dream wrote:You can't specify a location with waves central - if it's Windows the waveshell dll will be in Programs > VSTPlugins. I moved the waveshell dll to my preferred location and my waves plugins work fine.musikmachine wrote:Quick question, how the heck do you choose your default vst plugin folder, the central just installed it and didn't ask me for a location!
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- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Choose the French or German filters and use a good outboard reverb. You'll get that hardware like sound out of Serum. Took me a bit to figure it out, but it's there. I still love Codex, but it's unfair to say Serum lacks in the tone department.do_androids_dream wrote:I agree with you here Theo - Codex has a very hardware-like thickness, warmth and weight to it - very rarely heard in software. The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.TheoM wrote:Hmm I know this isn't popular opinion but I prefer codex to serum. I'm with Simon on this one.
Now please understand I realise serum is many's dream synth and it's raved about everywhere.
Codex might be full of flaws but to a non synth guru like me it's immediately more accessible. Also there is something to the tone that I find gooey and pleasing. And thats my issue with serum. It's a monster synth with features galore but when it comes down to it I just don't like the tone
Initially I thought it was just the factory presets (and demo limitations frustrating me from learning it better myself), but over time, and hearing sounds from absolute gurus, I see now my opinion stands as no matter what I can hear this cold very calculated digitality to it that is always present. All for digital synths here, but why don't I hear for example that sort if thing in 25 yo synths like the wavestation? Even though WS is a thin synth there is something about it's basic tone I've always loved. This is why I pick codex over serum. It might not even be half the actual product but for my ear it sounds more pleasing.
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- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
it's unfair for you to even say that. I was very careful the way i worded it and made sure it was clear that it was only my opinion. So even if Serum has the best sound in the world, and 99.99% love it, does that mean I am not allowed to dislike it's underlying tone, it's basic sound in other words? What, that's unfair? are you serious?zerocrossing wrote:Choose the French or German filters and use a good outboard reverb. You'll get that hardware like sound out of Serum. Took me a bit to figure it out, but it's there. I still love Codex, but it's unfair to say Serum lacks in the tone department.do_androids_dream wrote:I agree with you here Theo - Codex has a very hardware-like thickness, warmth and weight to it - very rarely heard in software. The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.TheoM wrote:Hmm I know this isn't popular opinion but I prefer codex to serum. I'm with Simon on this one.
Now please understand I realise serum is many's dream synth and it's raved about everywhere.
Codex might be full of flaws but to a non synth guru like me it's immediately more accessible. Also there is something to the tone that I find gooey and pleasing. And thats my issue with serum. It's a monster synth with features galore but when it comes down to it I just don't like the tone
Initially I thought it was just the factory presets (and demo limitations frustrating me from learning it better myself), but over time, and hearing sounds from absolute gurus, I see now my opinion stands as no matter what I can hear this cold very calculated digitality to it that is always present. All for digital synths here, but why don't I hear for example that sort if thing in 25 yo synths like the wavestation? Even though WS is a thin synth there is something about it's basic tone I've always loved. This is why I pick codex over serum. It might not even be half the actual product but for my ear it sounds more pleasing.
- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
No you can say what ever you want, just as I can say that I think that saying Serum lacks for a "hardware" style tone is an unfair assessment. You know, open forum. I wrote that because in my initial time demoing Serum I came to the exact same conclusion that you did, but after digging deeper into it, I totally changed my mind. Feel free not to, I don't care, but if someone is considering Serum over Codex (I feel that for $50 you should get Codex no matter what) that the story of how I changed my mind from the way you are thinking to the way I think about it now is useful.TheoM wrote:it's unfair for you to even say that. I was very careful the way i worded it and made sure it was clear that it was only my opinion. So even if Serum has the best sound in the world, and 99.99% love it, does that mean I am not allowed to dislike it's underlying tone, it's basic sound in other words? What, that's unfair? are you serious?zerocrossing wrote:Choose the French or German filters and use a good outboard reverb. You'll get that hardware like sound out of Serum. Took me a bit to figure it out, but it's there. I still love Codex, but it's unfair to say Serum lacks in the tone department.do_androids_dream wrote:I agree with you here Theo - Codex has a very hardware-like thickness, warmth and weight to it - very rarely heard in software. The demo on the Waves page - 'Dilated' - sounds like a 90's psytrance track to me - very hardware like.TheoM wrote:Hmm I know this isn't popular opinion but I prefer codex to serum. I'm with Simon on this one.
Now please understand I realise serum is many's dream synth and it's raved about everywhere.
Codex might be full of flaws but to a non synth guru like me it's immediately more accessible. Also there is something to the tone that I find gooey and pleasing. And thats my issue with serum. It's a monster synth with features galore but when it comes down to it I just don't like the tone
Initially I thought it was just the factory presets (and demo limitations frustrating me from learning it better myself), but over time, and hearing sounds from absolute gurus, I see now my opinion stands as no matter what I can hear this cold very calculated digitality to it that is always present. All for digital synths here, but why don't I hear for example that sort if thing in 25 yo synths like the wavestation? Even though WS is a thin synth there is something about it's basic tone I've always loved. This is why I pick codex over serum. It might not even be half the actual product but for my ear it sounds more pleasing.
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
+1TheoM wrote:Hmm I know this isn't popular opinion but I prefer codex to serum. I'm with Simon on this one.
Now please understand I realise serum is many's dream synth and it's raved about everywhere.
Codex might be full of flaws but to a non synth guru like me it's immediately more accessible. Also there is something to the tone that I find gooey and pleasing. And thats my issue with serum. It's a monster synth with features galore but when it comes down to it I just don't like the tone
Initially I thought it was just the factory presets (and demo limitations frustrating me from learning it better myself), but over time, and hearing sounds from absolute gurus, I see now my opinion stands as no matter what I can hear this cold very calculated digitality to it that is always present. All for digital synths here, but why don't I hear for example that sort if thing in 25 yo synths like the wavestation? Even though WS is a thin synth there is something about it's basic tone I've always loved. This is why I pick codex over serum. It might not even be half the actual product but for my ear it sounds more pleasing.
There is something to that.
Ive tried to convince myself otherwise a number of times, but that exact sentiment just pops in my head when I use them in close proximity...
- KVRian
- 1339 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from New York
These things are subjective...i have it for 3 days...for BASS Sounds i have NEVER EVER
hard anything like Codex, no Diva no Monark no NOTHING! Its like Hardware.
It has life to it, its scratching, its screaming ,,i am old, very old, not digital''.
hard anything like Codex, no Diva no Monark no NOTHING! Its like Hardware.
It has life to it, its scratching, its screaming ,,i am old, very old, not digital''.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
BasariStudios wrote:These things are subjective...i have it for 3 days...for BASS Sounds i have NEVER EVER
hard anything like Codex, no Diva no Monark no NOTHING! Its like Hardware.
It has life to it, its scratching, its screaming ,,i am old, very old, not digital''.
wow that's actually a really cool thing as bass is the one area i find almost every softsynth on the planet lacking!
Must check it again!
- KVRian
- 1339 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from New York
Just go thru the BASS Presets List and you'll hear what i am talking about.
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- KVRian
- 1383 posts since 1 May, 2010
Thanks for the suggestion here. I didn't even try those two filters before. Now serum sounds better for me.zerocrossing wrote:Choose the French or German filters and use a good outboard reverb. You'll get that hardware like sound out of Serum. Took me a bit to figure it out, but it's there. I still love Codex, but it's unfair to say Serum lacks in the tone department.
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- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
Not sure WHY this was bumped, or what the hell is going here?????
Nothing wrong with the product. Nothing wrong with the price (as long as you are not paying full for it, 99 is fine)
But though "element" is terrific and doesn't overly tax the CPU, Codex is far more hungry (unless they changed something)
Good synths (both) but though I could use element regularly, codex was terrible even on my 4770k, so I sold it.
Nothing wrong with the product. Nothing wrong with the price (as long as you are not paying full for it, 99 is fine)
But though "element" is terrific and doesn't overly tax the CPU, Codex is far more hungry (unless they changed something)
Good synths (both) but though I could use element regularly, codex was terrible even on my 4770k, so I sold it.