Any Max4Live device for sending MIDI data to effects inserted after instruments

[KTlin]

Hi guys

(I'm not quite sure this is the right forum section for this kind of stuff.)

One of my biggest problem with Ableton Live (and other DAWs) was always the fact that it doesn't transmit MIDI data to the effects placed after an instrument on a MIDI track. This is extremely annoying. There are a lot of FX plugins that features powerful modulation capabilities, like controlling a lot of parameters with the ModWheel, Aftertouch, Velocity, Expression Pedal and CCs, but I can't do that because the MIDI data don't get to the effects. I know there are workarounds, like creating another MIDI track and send its output to the effect plugin, and so, but these workarounds are a PITA.

So I was wondering if there is a Max4Live device that I could place on a MIDI track, before the instrument, and it would transmit all the MIDI data it receives from the input to the FX plugins placed after the instrument.

PS: I also posted this on Ableton forums, but so far I didn't get any answers.

Cheers

[BDeep]

1. Select the instrument on the track
Make it a group
2. Add the External Instrument device to the group
3. In the External Instrument select the plugin you want to send midi to.

Done

If that's too much trouble, why not search on maxforlive.com?
(I'm sure there is one, I just don't know which one )

[KTlin]

1. Select the instrument on the track
Make it a group
2. Add the External Instrument device to the group
3. In the External Instrument select the plugin you want to send midi to. Done
If that's too much trouble, why not search on maxforlive.com? (I'm sure there is one, I just don't know which one )

Yes, this is the workaround I'm using at the moment. Much better then using a secondary midi track. But I was hoping there's a simple M4L device which would just send the midi data to both the instrument and the effect.
I've already searched the maxforlive.com but I couldn't find anything like this.

This is the reply I just received on Ableton forum from user dataf1ow:

You can't directly send MIDI to audio effect plugins in Live (as far as I know), and MIDI map as you would with a controller, even with M4L. You can either route MIDI out and back in with a virtual MIDI port and another MIDI track, or use the Live API to control plugin parameters that are exposed by the plugin.

Cheers

[BDeep]

I thought it was possible with midi, not audio, in M4L... Thought I'd seen it. I'll see if I can find it again.

[xbitz]

...One of my biggest problem with Ableton Live (and other DAWs) was always the fact that it doesn't transmit MIDI data to the effects placed after an instrument on a MIDI track...
Cheers

can build yourself one anytime



should drop your fx unit(s) into a MAX Audio Effect container and route the MIDI into from an other track (can build some selector (can be MIDI channel based too as in the picture) ) using the MAX MIDI sender/receiver objects (MAX MIDI transformer objects support ModWheel, Aftertouch, Velocity, Expression Pedal etc. )

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</code></pre>

if u never worked with MAX IMO should begin with this one https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/li ... -musicians

[KTlin]

can build yourself one anytime

Thank you, xbitz! Unfortunatelly I have 0 experience building M4L devices. I have no idea what to do with the codes you sent me.

[xbitz]

then should watch this first

https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/li ... -musicians

if u can, quite easy don't have to panic can skip the MSP Objects & Device and Live API parts if u aren't interested in them, the MIDI parts will be enough

[KTlin]

then should watch this first
https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/li ... -musicians

Alright. When I'll have the time I'm gonna learn M4L.
Cheers

[xbitz]

this is the how to copy/use the codes above and how this MIDI routing is working (sender/receiver model working inside a single track too*), ofc. u can create much fancier devices , it's just a proof of concept like thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PJgC3JF-Mo

just because it's missing from the macpro video

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*
so this is a solution to your original request



can send MIDIs to the fx containers after the instrument (which ones process the signal of it in the same time)

[KTlin]

You made a little video tutorial specially for this. Thank you very much!!!
I really appreciate you took the time to make this!
I can't wait to make my first M4L device using your tutorial, and solve my old midi-to-effects issue in Ableton.

Thanks again!

[dayjob]

handy. thanks!

[Oscillating.Space]

I'm not sure why you would even need M4L for this. I often route Midi messages directly to the Fabfilter plug-ins (which receive Midi). Just make a new midi track, choose as the MIDI-from the source of your MIDI (controller, other tracks, or none (if you use MIDI-Clips on that track)....) and then route the MIDI-Out to the track your plug is on. In the sub-menue drop down of that track you should see your FX effect listed.