CPU spikes with OpenGL VST plugins - any solutions?
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Obsolete317542 Obsolete317542 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=317542
- KVRist
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- 253 posts since 1 Dec, 2013 from Belgium
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
Disculpen voy a escribir en español como hay traductores, voy a comentar sobre el problema de la aceleracion de graficos, es cierto lo veo en michos de mis clientes musicos, por cierto preparo maquinas para produccion musical, bien de frente al grano.
Intalando por ejemplo el farbfilter pro L en flstudio, sucede aldo curioso el menu de preset de la ventana que el flstudio abre para el plugin se coloca detras de este haciendo imposible su utilizacion, pero encontre una solucion HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\FabFilter. Right-click and select New > DWORD (32-bit) Value. Name it GraphicsAcceleration and ensure its value is 0. y funciono ahora el fabfilter funciona mejor ya puedo ver la ventana de la esquina del plugin encima de este al desplegarse, por cierto me tarde un dia de investigaciones, otro plugin que molesta es el cyclop 1.0.2 probe la actualizacion cyclop 1.2.0 tambien pasa pero no inmediatamente el sintoma esto el FL 10, afecta tambien el entorno grafico del fl 10, justo al desplegar los menus para selecionar plugins de efextos en el mixer sorpresa se volvieron invisibles pero estan ahi le das click y abre uno, terrible molestia, solucion grabar y cerrar el fl y volverlo abrir, tambien aveces se arregla cambiando de resolucion el windows por cierto me pasa en xp y win7 32 y 64, tanbien ahora le pruebo la linea de arriba en el registro habre si sirve estoy probando, el waves 8 tambien presenta defecto similar al fabfilter se pone encima y molesta mas en el fl si bien tarda en cargar me ha permitido trabajar, en resumen todos los plugins actuales que usan aceleracion grafica opengl funcionan con algun problema, pero no entodas las tarjetas de video confirme que en tarjetas viejas como la 7300 gt o la 8400 gt o similares no pasa (sera por que no utilizan open gl 4.1?) sin embargo agarre una 430gt 1gb he intente probar con todos los drivers disponibles para ella sorpresa muchos de ellos funcionan mal unos mas lentos que otros y los ultimos presentan problemas el multipantalla, osea no puedo usar mas que un monitor bien que pesimo trabajo de debug de NVIDIA todos los que probe eran oficiales WHQL, respecto al problema opengl y los VSTI por ejemplo el cyclops con algunos nunca se recuperaba osea no mas que cerrar y abrir de nuevo el fl10, generalmente con los mas viejos con los mas nuevos cerraba solo la ventana del cyclop y ya podia ver los menus de efectos e instrumentos nuevamente (efecto de desaparicion o ponerser atras)
sin embargo un cliente me comento que le puso un driver recontra viejo si no me equivoco 214 nvidia y ya no pasaba, en resumen problema de los ultimos drivers NVIDIA o la porcion opengl de estos, esto lo he experimentado con la 630gt y una 730gt en ATI todavia no he tenido la oportunidad, espero que se investigue mas de este problema pues no es raro pasa en casi todas las tarjetas nuevas NVIDIA, para es un dolor de cabeza pues los clientes piensan que esta mal el hardware. Que dolor de cabeza asi que no piensen que esta mal su pc. lastima que los usuarios no pongan mas imagenes y los fabricantes excepto los del favfilter no den explicacion, y nos vendan productos caros que no funcionan.
Intalando por ejemplo el farbfilter pro L en flstudio, sucede aldo curioso el menu de preset de la ventana que el flstudio abre para el plugin se coloca detras de este haciendo imposible su utilizacion, pero encontre una solucion HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\FabFilter. Right-click and select New > DWORD (32-bit) Value. Name it GraphicsAcceleration and ensure its value is 0. y funciono ahora el fabfilter funciona mejor ya puedo ver la ventana de la esquina del plugin encima de este al desplegarse, por cierto me tarde un dia de investigaciones, otro plugin que molesta es el cyclop 1.0.2 probe la actualizacion cyclop 1.2.0 tambien pasa pero no inmediatamente el sintoma esto el FL 10, afecta tambien el entorno grafico del fl 10, justo al desplegar los menus para selecionar plugins de efextos en el mixer sorpresa se volvieron invisibles pero estan ahi le das click y abre uno, terrible molestia, solucion grabar y cerrar el fl y volverlo abrir, tambien aveces se arregla cambiando de resolucion el windows por cierto me pasa en xp y win7 32 y 64, tanbien ahora le pruebo la linea de arriba en el registro habre si sirve estoy probando, el waves 8 tambien presenta defecto similar al fabfilter se pone encima y molesta mas en el fl si bien tarda en cargar me ha permitido trabajar, en resumen todos los plugins actuales que usan aceleracion grafica opengl funcionan con algun problema, pero no entodas las tarjetas de video confirme que en tarjetas viejas como la 7300 gt o la 8400 gt o similares no pasa (sera por que no utilizan open gl 4.1?) sin embargo agarre una 430gt 1gb he intente probar con todos los drivers disponibles para ella sorpresa muchos de ellos funcionan mal unos mas lentos que otros y los ultimos presentan problemas el multipantalla, osea no puedo usar mas que un monitor bien que pesimo trabajo de debug de NVIDIA todos los que probe eran oficiales WHQL, respecto al problema opengl y los VSTI por ejemplo el cyclops con algunos nunca se recuperaba osea no mas que cerrar y abrir de nuevo el fl10, generalmente con los mas viejos con los mas nuevos cerraba solo la ventana del cyclop y ya podia ver los menus de efectos e instrumentos nuevamente (efecto de desaparicion o ponerser atras)
sin embargo un cliente me comento que le puso un driver recontra viejo si no me equivoco 214 nvidia y ya no pasaba, en resumen problema de los ultimos drivers NVIDIA o la porcion opengl de estos, esto lo he experimentado con la 630gt y una 730gt en ATI todavia no he tenido la oportunidad, espero que se investigue mas de este problema pues no es raro pasa en casi todas las tarjetas nuevas NVIDIA, para es un dolor de cabeza pues los clientes piensan que esta mal el hardware. Que dolor de cabeza asi que no piensen que esta mal su pc. lastima que los usuarios no pongan mas imagenes y los fabricantes excepto los del favfilter no den explicacion, y nos vendan productos caros que no funcionan.
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
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Installing eg pro farbfilter L in flstudio, curious happens aldo the preset menu window that opens flstudio for the plugin is behind this place making it impossible to use, but I found a solution HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ FabFilter. Right-click and select New> DWORD (32-bit) Value. Name it GraphicsAcceleration and Ensure ITS value is 0 and I run now FabFilter works best as I can see the corner window of the plugin above this to unfold, by the way I take a day of investigations, another plugin that bothers is the cyclop 1.0 .2 probe the cyclop 1.2.0 update also happens but not immediately the symptom that the FL 10 graphical environment also affects the fl 10 just display the menus for selecionar efextos plugins in the mixer surprise they became invisible but are there you give click and open one, terrible nuisance, problem record and close the fl and again open, it also sometimes is arranged changing resolution the windows by the way it happens in xp and win7 32 and 64, tanbien now I taste the top line in the habre record if it serves'm testing, the waves 8 also presents similar to FabFilter gets above default and annoys more in fl although takes to load has allowed me to work, in short all current plugins using acceleration graphics opengl work with some problem, but not inall video cards confirm that old or similar cards like the 7300 GT or 8400 GT does not pass (be for not using open gl 4.1?) but grab a 430GT 1gb I try to test all drivers available to her surprise many of them are malfunctioning some slower than others and the last have problems multiscreen, I mean I can not use more than one monitor that lousy job of debugging NVIDIA While all that probe were official WHQL, regarding opengl problem and VSTI for example cyclops with some never recovered bone nothing more than to close and reopen the fl10, usually with the oldest to the newest closed only window cyclop and you could see the menus of effects and instruments again (effect of disappearance or ponerser ago)
however a customer told me that put a recontra old driver if I'm not mistaken 214 nvidia and no longer happening, in short problem of the latest drivers NVIDIA or opengl portion of these, this I have experimented with 630gt and 730gt in ATI still have not had the opportunity, I hope to investigate more about this problem as it is not uncommon happens in almost all new NVIDIA cards, so it is a headache because customers think is wrong hardware. A headache so do not think that is wrong your pc. pity that users do not put more images and manufacturers except the favfilter not give explanation, and we sell expensive products that do not work.
Installing eg pro farbfilter L in flstudio, curious happens aldo the preset menu window that opens flstudio for the plugin is behind this place making it impossible to use, but I found a solution HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ FabFilter. Right-click and select New> DWORD (32-bit) Value. Name it GraphicsAcceleration and Ensure ITS value is 0 and I run now FabFilter works best as I can see the corner window of the plugin above this to unfold, by the way I take a day of investigations, another plugin that bothers is the cyclop 1.0 .2 probe the cyclop 1.2.0 update also happens but not immediately the symptom that the FL 10 graphical environment also affects the fl 10 just display the menus for selecionar efextos plugins in the mixer surprise they became invisible but are there you give click and open one, terrible nuisance, problem record and close the fl and again open, it also sometimes is arranged changing resolution the windows by the way it happens in xp and win7 32 and 64, tanbien now I taste the top line in the habre record if it serves'm testing, the waves 8 also presents similar to FabFilter gets above default and annoys more in fl although takes to load has allowed me to work, in short all current plugins using acceleration graphics opengl work with some problem, but not inall video cards confirm that old or similar cards like the 7300 GT or 8400 GT does not pass (be for not using open gl 4.1?) but grab a 430GT 1gb I try to test all drivers available to her surprise many of them are malfunctioning some slower than others and the last have problems multiscreen, I mean I can not use more than one monitor that lousy job of debugging NVIDIA While all that probe were official WHQL, regarding opengl problem and VSTI for example cyclops with some never recovered bone nothing more than to close and reopen the fl10, usually with the oldest to the newest closed only window cyclop and you could see the menus of effects and instruments again (effect of disappearance or ponerser ago)
however a customer told me that put a recontra old driver if I'm not mistaken 214 nvidia and no longer happening, in short problem of the latest drivers NVIDIA or opengl portion of these, this I have experimented with 630gt and 730gt in ATI still have not had the opportunity, I hope to investigate more about this problem as it is not uncommon happens in almost all new NVIDIA cards, so it is a headache because customers think is wrong hardware. A headache so do not think that is wrong your pc. pity that users do not put more images and manufacturers except the favfilter not give explanation, and we sell expensive products that do not work.
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- KVRAF
- 40254 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from clown world
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installin' eg pro farbfilta l in flstudio, curious happens aldo tha preset menu window dat opens flstudio fo' tha plugin be beyo yond tyo yos place makin' dat shit impossible ta use, N' therez Ain't nuthin' but i found a solution hkey_current_usa software fabfilta.right-click n' select new> dword (32-bit) value.name dat shit grapyo yocsacceleration n' ensure itz value be 0 n' i run naw fabfilta works best as i can peep tha corna window o' tha plugin above tyo yos ta unfold, by tha way i take a day o' investigations, anotha plugin dat bothers be tha cyclop 1.0.2 probe da cyclop 1.2.0 update also happens N' therez Ain't nuthin' but not immediately da symptom dat da fl 10 grapyo yocal environment also affects da fl 10 just display da menus fo' seleciona efextos plugins in da mixa surprise they became invisible N' therez Ain't nuthin' but r' there yo' give click n' open one, terrible nuisance, problem record n' close da fl n' again n' again n' again open, dat shit also sometimes be arranged changin' resolution da windows by da way dat shit happens in xp n' win7 32 n' 64, tanbien naw i taste da top line in da habre record if dat shit serves'm testing, da waves 8 also presents simila ta fabfilta gets above default n' annoys mo' in fl although takes ta load has allowed me ta work, in short all current plugins usin' acceleration grapyo yocs opengl work wit' some problem, N' therez Ain't nuthin' but not inall porno cadillacds confirm dat old or simila cadillacds like da 7300 gt or 8400 gt does not pass (be fo' not usin' open gl 4.1?) N' therez Ain't nuthin' but grab a 430gt 1gb i try ta test all drivers available ta her asshole surprise shitload o' o' 'em r' malfunctionin' some slowa than others n' tha last have problems multiscreen, i mean i can not use mo' than one monitor dat lousy job o' debuggin' nvidizzle wyo yole all dat probe were official whql, regardin' opengl problem n' vsti fo' example cyclops wit' some neva recovered bone notyo yong mo' than ta close n' reopen tha fl10, usually wit' tha oldest ta tha newest closed only window cyclop n' yo' could peep tha menus o' effects n' instruments again (effect o' disappearance or ponersa ago)
howeva a customa told me dat put a recontra old driva if i'm not mistaken 214 nvidizzle n' no longa happening, in short problem o' tha latest drivers nvidizzle or opengl portion o' dem, tyo yos i have experimented wit' 630gt n' 730gt in ati still have not had tha opportunity, i hope ta investigate mo' 'bout tyo yos problem as dat shit be not uncommon happens in almost all new nvidizzle cadillacds, so dat shit be a headache bcuz' customers tyo yonk be wrong hardware.a headache so do not tyo yonk dat be wrong yo' goddamn pc.pity dat users do not put mo' images n' manufacturers except tha favfilta not give explanation, n' we sell expensive products dat do not work.
installin' eg pro farbfilta l in flstudio, curious happens aldo tha preset menu window dat opens flstudio fo' tha plugin be beyo yond tyo yos place makin' dat shit impossible ta use, N' therez Ain't nuthin' but i found a solution hkey_current_usa software fabfilta.right-click n' select new> dword (32-bit) value.name dat shit grapyo yocsacceleration n' ensure itz value be 0 n' i run naw fabfilta works best as i can peep tha corna window o' tha plugin above tyo yos ta unfold, by tha way i take a day o' investigations, anotha plugin dat bothers be tha cyclop 1.0.2 probe da cyclop 1.2.0 update also happens N' therez Ain't nuthin' but not immediately da symptom dat da fl 10 grapyo yocal environment also affects da fl 10 just display da menus fo' seleciona efextos plugins in da mixa surprise they became invisible N' therez Ain't nuthin' but r' there yo' give click n' open one, terrible nuisance, problem record n' close da fl n' again n' again n' again open, dat shit also sometimes be arranged changin' resolution da windows by da way dat shit happens in xp n' win7 32 n' 64, tanbien naw i taste da top line in da habre record if dat shit serves'm testing, da waves 8 also presents simila ta fabfilta gets above default n' annoys mo' in fl although takes ta load has allowed me ta work, in short all current plugins usin' acceleration grapyo yocs opengl work wit' some problem, N' therez Ain't nuthin' but not inall porno cadillacds confirm dat old or simila cadillacds like da 7300 gt or 8400 gt does not pass (be fo' not usin' open gl 4.1?) N' therez Ain't nuthin' but grab a 430gt 1gb i try ta test all drivers available ta her asshole surprise shitload o' o' 'em r' malfunctionin' some slowa than others n' tha last have problems multiscreen, i mean i can not use mo' than one monitor dat lousy job o' debuggin' nvidizzle wyo yole all dat probe were official whql, regardin' opengl problem n' vsti fo' example cyclops wit' some neva recovered bone notyo yong mo' than ta close n' reopen tha fl10, usually wit' tha oldest ta tha newest closed only window cyclop n' yo' could peep tha menus o' effects n' instruments again (effect o' disappearance or ponersa ago)
howeva a customa told me dat put a recontra old driva if i'm not mistaken 214 nvidizzle n' no longa happening, in short problem o' tha latest drivers nvidizzle or opengl portion o' dem, tyo yos i have experimented wit' 630gt n' 730gt in ati still have not had tha opportunity, i hope ta investigate mo' 'bout tyo yos problem as dat shit be not uncommon happens in almost all new nvidizzle cadillacds, so dat shit be a headache bcuz' customers tyo yonk be wrong hardware.a headache so do not tyo yonk dat be wrong yo' goddamn pc.pity dat users do not put mo' images n' manufacturers except tha favfilta not give explanation, n' we sell expensive products dat do not work.
Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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Obsolete317542 Obsolete317542 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=317542
- KVRist
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- 253 posts since 1 Dec, 2013 from Belgium
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
thanks I'll try if it works
I will post
my question is whether to turn off optimization Threaded FL STUDIO 10 O 11 CUBASE WORK THE ADDITIONAL CORES IN MULTICORE PROCESSORS ?
I will post
my question is whether to turn off optimization Threaded FL STUDIO 10 O 11 CUBASE WORK THE ADDITIONAL CORES IN MULTICORE PROCESSORS ?
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Obsolete317542 Obsolete317542 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=317542
- KVRist
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- 253 posts since 1 Dec, 2013 from Belgium
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
According to an engineer friend of AMD, this is a typical problem of CPU amd vs opengl . FabFilter effectively and waves and cyclops are those with the problem.
your solution can work on Intel engineer says.
AMD does not believe that works, not multithreaded processors only multicore.
I have a amd..................
I am investigating more
your solution can work on Intel engineer says.
AMD does not believe that works, not multithreaded processors only multicore.
I have a amd..................
I am investigating more
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Obsolete317542 Obsolete317542 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=317542
- KVRist
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- 253 posts since 1 Dec, 2013 from Belgium
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- KVRist
- 130 posts since 4 Nov, 2014
Hey there, I knew that your systematic and analytical approach would get you to the root cause in the endEclectus wrote:I forgot to update this thread, but I was able to solve all these problems about two months ago. The problem is caused by an option in the NVidia Control Panel, "Threaded Optimization". This option creates multiple threads for the NVidia OpenGL driver, and is meant to improve OpenGL performance. However, if the OpenGL code that you are running is not written for multithreading, the CPU goes mad trying to sync all threads... You have to set "Threaded Optimization" to the "Off" setting. Once you do this, the NVidia OpenGL driver uses ony one core, and all the problems go away. Will also work for Waves plugins, and any other OpenGL plugin that experiences CPU spikes on NVidia cards. Good luck!
Good job
Why won't you delete this account as I have requested Ben ?
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
Is correct what you say, are the cards graphics, checked, the problem is what works in old cards seem to have no problem, but the new accelerated many malfunctioning, in the case of FL STUDIO 10 with several gt nvidia hat problem, I say that turning off the acceleration no longer fail VSTI fab filter L, and cyclops. on the waves he works (fl 10) on graphics but with defects in graphic overlays.
excuse the bad English
excuse the bad English
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
opengl problem found a solution without turning off the acceleration in FabFilter Pro L, simply turn ON the option limit extension in NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL, this activates the old opengl mode and FabFilter Graphics problems GO in the fl 10 and 11 (invisible menus no longer pass) this menu is in newer versions of nvidia driver 355 or higher.
NOW IM TESTING WAVES 8 AND 9 ON THE SAME PROBLEM (invisible menus fl studio 10 , 11)
I hope it will help them.
DJ SUPERWAR
NOW IM TESTING WAVES 8 AND 9 ON THE SAME PROBLEM (invisible menus fl studio 10 , 11)
I hope it will help them.
DJ SUPERWAR
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 3 Nov, 2006
WAVES 9.30 AND VIDEO ACELERATION
waves 9.30 continues with the same problem in any version of FL 9 10, 11, always above the active acceleration, menu wrapper back or partially invisible, it happens more often in Nvidia cards Fermi, GT430 or the like in the AMD as HD 7540D no passes the video acceleration problem.
Other defects v9.30 waves in XP does not work (waveshell 9.61) simply does not appear FL10.0.9.
In 32-bit mode waveshell 9.30 VST3 always crash tested in flstudio 10 this crash VST3 also waveshell 9.30 32 bits in 64-bit WIN7, FLengine.dll crash, tested on Intel and AMD platforms.
Solution for the crash in xp and win7, use only VST2
Still did not find a solution to work waveshell 9.61 in xp 32bit simply not on the wrapper.
This program is really a headache, in the V8 only passed when opening aboutt could not close this window anymore in win 7 and xp
waves 9.30 continues with the same problem in any version of FL 9 10, 11, always above the active acceleration, menu wrapper back or partially invisible, it happens more often in Nvidia cards Fermi, GT430 or the like in the AMD as HD 7540D no passes the video acceleration problem.
Other defects v9.30 waves in XP does not work (waveshell 9.61) simply does not appear FL10.0.9.
In 32-bit mode waveshell 9.30 VST3 always crash tested in flstudio 10 this crash VST3 also waveshell 9.30 32 bits in 64-bit WIN7, FLengine.dll crash, tested on Intel and AMD platforms.
Solution for the crash in xp and win7, use only VST2
Still did not find a solution to work waveshell 9.61 in xp 32bit simply not on the wrapper.
This program is really a headache, in the V8 only passed when opening aboutt could not close this window anymore in win 7 and xp
