This is the way i like to talk about this stuff, no need to get hostile. So thnx for that.artao wrote:Yes, I watched the video. It is a good video and explains bit depth well. (altho I've always thought that guy comes off as a bit arrogant and condescending)
Notice tho the difference between the dithered and undithered audio.
16-bit? Yes. You certainly shouldn't be hearing any distortions or glitching. That doesn't mean it can't happen with a sub-par DAC -- particularly if not properly dithered.
We even deliberately use sample reduction to get this digital distortion.
My misunderstand then re: you playing notes at 88.2khz. Perhaps you can see, from your post, how I could have thought that.
Still. You're hearing aliasing when playing notes at 10khz? ... I don't know WHAT you're hearing, but it's not aliasing.
My hostility comes form the ridiculousness of the vocal minority of users (on internet forums solely, in my experience) who insist that Arturia's synths are aliasing. Many of them even saying that it's intolerable aliasing and that they would never use an Arturia product because of it.
This is patently ridiculous.
Of course tho, to all those few people who DO hear the alleged aliasing, all the rest of us need to get our ears checked.
I'm fricken sick of it!! It's a load of shit.
The sound of aliasing is SO OBVIOUS that if it were actually there, NO ONE would be denying it's presence, and there would be no debate about whether it actually exists or not in Arturia's synths.
Note the Sound on Sound article I linked, where the reviewer talks about how the Arturia's Prophet VS LACKS the aliasing present in the ACTUAL Prophet VS.
But of course, those who claim Arturia's synths DO alias probably hear that aliasing.
I wonder why the rest of us don't. ... hmmm ..... surely the majority of people must be wrong, and the vocal minority must be correct. That's usually the case, right?
As to this being the official Arturia page ... I can see why you might be under that impression, given the title of this thread.
However, this is NOT the official Arturia page. Nor are they likely to notice your comments or alleged proof in this mass of noise. If you look through this particular thread -- even tho it was indeed started by an Arturia representative -- there is little to no activity from anyone from Arturia.
This is more of an announcement thread, which has turned into a user discussion.
There is an official Arturia forum on KVR. That would be much likelier to actually get noticed by Arturia.
Their official forums on their own website is probably even more likely to get noticed.
And finally, the BEST way to get ahold of Arturia is via email.
Again I say: If Arturia's synths actually aliased like some people complain about (sorry to lump you in that category, since you state it's not all that bothersome to you. Altho you did go to an awful lot of trouble to try and point out this alleged aliasing) then they certainly wouldn't be as big and popular as they are, and reviewers would certainly be pointing it out.
Aliasing is an OBVIOUS digital artifact. I have tried to produce aliasing with Arturia's synths, at frequencies well above 10khz, with several of their synths.
I have yet to hear any. I don't know what y'all are talking about, but it sure ain't aliasing. And I am sick to death of people talking about it. THAT is why I'm hostile on this subject. I'm just sick of it. It's utter nonsense. Were there actually aliasing there, no one would be saying there isn't aliasing. And the vast majority of people aren't hearing any of this alleged aliasing.
Arturia's synths have some issues, sure. But aliasing isn't one of them.
nuf said
The amount of work was, like, 4 minutes...And it was more for myself then for this thread, because i heard this stuff and wanted to know what it was. And it looks like aliasing.
Now, having that said; when i compare these Arturia synths to some other synths, then yes, there are synths which use oversample, or different filtering (Oddity2 is a good example). But, and this is a big but (
), i don't care, because of the effect in the mix. The sound in my mixes is just good. I can't hear the aliasing, so indeed, there is no problem in terms of making tracks.One final point about dithering; you noticed the dithering part, but seem to lack the idea of on what levels this all is going on. It is all so quiet. And this is explained in the video as well. It is some kind of insurance policy, nothing more. And only for 16 bit or lower. On higher bit depths, it won't do anything (audible). Even at 16 bit it is kinda silly...but, fair enough.
"16-bit? Yes. You certainly shouldn't be hearing any distortions or glitching. That doesn't mean it can't happen with a sub-par DAC -- particularly if not properly dithered." A sub-par/el cheapo DAC (but 16 bit) should play everything glitch free (also explained in the video). When this isn't the case, the device is broken. Also, be aware that the noise level at -72 dB is at 8 bit.
"...It's utter nonsense." No. Otherwise all my devices should be 'weird'. I have recorded and viewed the waves. Nothing special about that. Just imperical, objective measures.
