Sheddage Bass 2 vs Trillian
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1028 posts since 11 Jun, 2004 from London
I have Trillian and it's fine providing the bassline's are not continuous repeating 8th or 16th notes. I find then it it starts to sound a bit synthetic/machine gun like. Sheddage Bass 2 sounds pretty good from the demos I'm wondering how it compares when it comes to playing fast continuous notes in comparison to Trillian?
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- KVRAF
- 4681 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
Admittedly I'm not quite objective on this so I will let other people speak up, but this is definitely the hardest thing to get sounding 100% realistic. There are two things I did to help with realism:
1. There is a "repetition threshold" and "repetition offset" feature on the advanced page. Let's say you have Note A, and Note B right after it. If Note B is played within X milliseconds (the repetition threshold), then the repetition offset is applied to the sample attack. The idea of this is to approximate what happens when someone is playing a string and striking it again while the string is still vibrating. You wouldn't hear the full attack in this case.
2. There's an option for 'anti-repetition', which retunes adjacent notes and uses them to inject extra variation.
Whether or not this is better than Trillian, well, like I said.. I'm biased!
1. There is a "repetition threshold" and "repetition offset" feature on the advanced page. Let's say you have Note A, and Note B right after it. If Note B is played within X milliseconds (the repetition threshold), then the repetition offset is applied to the sample attack. The idea of this is to approximate what happens when someone is playing a string and striking it again while the string is still vibrating. You wouldn't hear the full attack in this case.
2. There's an option for 'anti-repetition', which retunes adjacent notes and uses them to inject extra variation.
Whether or not this is better than Trillian, well, like I said.. I'm biased!
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1028 posts since 11 Jun, 2004 from London
Hi Zircon,
Thanks for the information. "Repetition threshold/offset" sounds very interesting as does the "anti-repetition" feature. I prefer to play bass lines myself but I also like to program them in as it removes the limitations of my playing. Or if I convert the audio to MIDI I can use a played bassline as an initial idea and expand on it. I must say I like the interface interface you've created and the amount of thought you put into it. It's definitely on my shortlist.
Regards
Kraznet
Thanks for the information. "Repetition threshold/offset" sounds very interesting as does the "anti-repetition" feature. I prefer to play bass lines myself but I also like to program them in as it removes the limitations of my playing. Or if I convert the audio to MIDI I can use a played bassline as an initial idea and expand on it. I must say I like the interface interface you've created and the amount of thought you put into it. It's definitely on my shortlist.
Regards
Kraznet
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- KVRian
- 839 posts since 28 Jan, 2008
One thing to do in Trilian with repeating bass notes is to alter the velocities of those notes. This adds a little bit of work but it's worth it in the end. This gives me the best results at 8th and 16th notes. Another thing to try on some of the electric basses is to edit the sample start position. I forget what they actually call this but it's in the EDIT window where you can edit the envelopes and such.
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- KVRAF
- 4681 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
Ah yes, you can do that in Shreddage Bass 2 as well (the "Pick Offset" knob, also midi learnable)
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- KVRist
- 340 posts since 16 Oct, 2011
I regularly use Shreddage Bass 2 in some pretty fast metal tracks and I think it sounds amazing. It's good enough for even quick solos without sounding bad or like a machine gun.
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- KVRist
- 196 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Quebec, Canada
Amen brother.warfighter67 wrote:I regularly use Shreddage Bass 2 in some pretty fast metal tracks and I think it sounds amazing. It's good enough for even quick solos without sounding bad or like a machine gun.
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