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Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:20 pm

Foxedge wrote:Project Sams OE can be used with the free kontakt player, but it has no solo instruments and I read that some of the effects in the patches are already overused and heard everywhere.

Bugger, what has I been writing.

I meant version 2, but somehow missed 2 on my keyboard.

I think I was the one who said that thing about the effects.

But it's still true. I'm usually not very keen or good on picking up on particular sample libraries or VSTis in music, but the aleatoric effects in OE 1 are very distinguishable.

If you listen to some of the demos on their site, one of them has a breakdown with a menacing trill sound. If you've played even a few video games or watched TV, then you've likely heard it before.
Of course, you can take that as a testimony to the library's greatness, the fact that it's so popular. I'm actually going to get it myself for cinematic/hybrid work, but that's practically the only type of work it's suitable for. The sound is very epic and sort-of "heroic". So no-go for classical or sensual writing.

Anyway, OE 2 looks like a bit different package, it has more stuff from Lumina (Symphobia 3), which I hear is in general a bit softer than Symphobia 1 & 2.
It (OE2) has sordino strings, among other things. Though I'm not sure how comprehensive of an orchestral all-rounder it is, but definetely sounds like bit of a cross between cinematic and more classical tone.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:43 am

Interesting! I will read some reviews about OE 2 and listen to it

Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:40 pm

Foxedge wrote:Interesting! I will read some reviews about OE 2 and listen to it

I'm thinking about getting OE1, because they have it and Swing! in a -9% bundle, but I'm not sure whether to bite it, because there is quite a gap between the two products, in terms of the sound, so I fear they might not glue together, despite being sold and marketed together.

I don't see why they don't put up a Versatility Pack of OE2 and Swing!, because those two seem to complement each other much better (classical/vintage/golden era-sound).

short_hopper · Post by **short_hopper** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:42 pm

Might be of interest to the OP-

Versilian Studios has just released an affordable orchestral sample library called VSCO2. At $99US, it's a suitable price for people who are just beginning to dabble.Note: the full Kontakt version is complete, but VSTi is not yet available. The site promises a VSTi/AU version asap.

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-standard.html

There is also a free, open-source version with SFZ mapping:

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-community.html

Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:09 pm

short_hopper wrote:Might be of interest to the OP-

Versilian Studios has just released an affordable orchestral sample library called VSCO2. At $99US, it's a suitable price for people who are just beginning to dabble.Note: the full Kontakt version is complete, but VSTi is not yet available. The site promises a VSTi/AU version asap.

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-standard.html

There is also a free, open-source version with SFZ mapping:

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-community.html

I wonder why Pro isn't going to come in VSTi/AU format.

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:19 pm

Aryaroman wrote:I wonder why Pro isn't going to come in VSTi/AU format.

If the VSTs are MaizeSampler based, that doesn't have all the capabilities that Kontakt does.

I haven't checked the new VSCO out yet, didn't like the old one or their upright piano much, but those were years ago so maybe I should give the new one another chance.

Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:26 pm

DSmolken wrote:
Aryaroman wrote:I wonder why Pro isn't going to come in VSTi/AU format.
If the VSTs are MaizeSampler based, that doesn't have all the capabilities that Kontakt does.

I haven't checked the new VSCO out yet, didn't like the old one or their upright piano much, but those were years ago so maybe I should give the new one another chance.

Doesn't Maize only work in 32-Bit? Their old VSTis (some of them at least) came as both 32-Bit and 64-Bit if I remember correctly, from last week cleaning them from HDD.

bigcat1969 · Post by **bigcat1969** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:54 pm

Nope Maize can do 32 and 64 bit PC and AU and VST Mac. I've put out many instruments in all four formats.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:23 pm

short_hopper wrote:Might be of interest to the OP-

Versilian Studios has just released an affordable orchestral sample library called VSCO2. At $99US, it's a suitable price for people who are just beginning to dabble.Note: the full Kontakt version is complete, but VSTi is not yet available. The site promises a VSTi/AU version asap.

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-standard.html

There is also a free, open-source version with SFZ mapping:

http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-community.html

Interesting but since I don't own Kontakt, this would cost me minimum 500 bucks.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:28 am

You mean $250.
I know it's a long way back, but this was explained to you in the third, ninth and eleventh post.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:51 am

Yes I know, but I thought a bit further. (And even with Sennheiser it would be 300€, just to get a 99€ plugin, the crossgrade is 200€).

I don't feel good about buying Kontakt 5 that I don't need or want, just to be eligible to grab my super cheap 99 bucks orchestra. Some people wrote that Kontakt 5 sounds oudated, the demo I tried proved that and what would hurt most is, that at the moment Komplete 10 is on sale for 400 bucks. Why would I pay 200 for kontakt only if I get Komplete 10 for 200 additional euros?

Then again, Komplete 11 will probably drop in september. When I buy Kontakt 10 now, I pay even more to upgrade then, so if I am interested in the Komplete stuff, I am well advised to wait and see what they bring to the table.

And then, when you compare the versions of VSCO (http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-comparison.html), for 100 bucks more you get a way way bigger library by them including multi mics.

So, I would end up at 200 for kontakt 5 + 200 for the orchestra = 400 bucks minimum. So I'd have threw 200 bucks on Kontakt 5 on which I am not excited at, just to get my low budget orchestra in the end for like 200 bucks more expensive than it actually was. That just doesn't sound like a good deal to me, escpecially not under the light of the Komplete sale.

brainzistor · Post by **brainzistor** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:35 pm

Foxedge wrote: I don't feel good about buying Kontakt 5 that I don't need or want, just to be eligible to grab my super cheap 99 bucks orchestra. Some people wrote that Kontakt 5 sounds oudated, the demo I tried proved that and what would hurt most is, that at the moment Komplete 10 is on sale for 400 bucks. Why would I pay 200 for kontakt only if I get Komplete 10 for 200 additional euros?

And then, when you compare the versions of VSCO (http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-comparison.html), for 100 bucks more you get a way way bigger library by them including multi mics.

Kontakt is a sampler, how can a sampler sound outdated?!
The demo you tried proved that? You are not making any sense.

If you demoed it with some crap library it has nothing to do with "outdated" Kontakt, but with shitty library you have loaded into Kontakt.

Why would I pay 200 for kontakt only if I get Komplete 10 for 200 additional euros?

Because of the title of this thread, maybe?

I mean, you came here to ask people about sound libraries, now you are going off topic with that question.

It's simple: you want sound library? You'll definitely need Kontakt, not just for your first library but for some other libraries as well.

Look, if you are really a beginner, if you have zero or minimal experience when it comes to classical music,
it's important to be honest with yourself, don't bother buying anything. Get experience with free libraries and along the way you'll learn how to EQ stuff, what reverbs to use, how to mix everything, etc. and free libraries require that from you because they are full of imperfections.

If your music is good it will sound good even with crappy sound library.
For example, when you are starting to learn to play guitar you don't buy Fender Stratocaster but rather some guitar for 100-150 euros because you'll use it for practicing and learning.
Same thing with sound libraries, if you know shit about orchestration and classical music your music will sound shit even with the best sound libraries which you can witness if you start digging on youtube and finding some average Joes with the best sound libraries and sounding awful.
You know, it's the same thing as seeing a guy holding Fender Stratocaster and barely knowing to play 3 chords.

So, it's up to you.
Personally I like VSL, Cinesamples and the works of Sample Modelling when it comes to solo instruments.

bigcat1969 · Post by **bigcat1969** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:59 pm

A note because I'm one of the ones who has stressed it, the Kontakt Factory library orchestral selections sound dated and not always the best. Of course they are over a decade old and stripped down heavily from a much bigger library so that makes sense. That is what is being talked about here.

Kontakt itself is the best, most configurable and easiest 'sampler' / sample instrument creator on earth IMO and I have tried others. This is why it prospers and so many of us make instruments for it.

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:49 pm

WIVI Is Everything Except Strings and Perc
http://wallanderinstruments.com/?mode=products&lang=en

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:49 pm

brainzistor wrote:Kontakt is a sampler, how can a sampler sound outdated?!
The demo you tried proved that? You are not making any sense.
If you demoed it with some crap library it has nothing to do with "outdated" Kontakt, but with shitty library you have loaded into Kontakt.

C'mon, don't act like you would not know that I am referring to the over 1.000 instruments that comes with 46GB in the full version of Kontakt. Noone is paying 400 bucks for kontakt just to have the license, it's native instruments flagship sample library. But these samples sound old, well, they actually are.

brainzistor wrote: Because of the title of this thread, maybe?
I mean, you came here to ask people about sound libraries, now you are going off topic with that question.

The thread title doesn't make it a better deal to buy kontakt only while komplete is on sale and probably kontakt 6 / komplete 11 is about to be released. Wouldn't be happy when Kontakt 6 comes out and I have to upgrade for 100 additional bucks instead of being patient for those 2-3 months.

brainzistor wrote:If your music is good it will sound good even with crappy sound library.
For example, when you are starting to learn to play guitar you don't buy Fender Stratocaster but rather some guitar for 100-150 euros because you'll use it for practicing and learning.
Same thing with sound libraries, if you know shit about orchestration and classical music your music will sound shit even with the best sound libraries which you can witness if you start digging on youtube and finding some average Joes with the best sound libraries and sounding awful.
You know, it's the same thing as seeing a guy holding Fender Stratocaster and barely knowing to play 3 chords.

So, it's up to you.
Personally I like VSL, Cinesamples and the works of Sample Modelling when it comes to solo instruments.

You are right with this part but I am not new to making music and I am able to read notes etc, so while getting into orchestration will take a big huge time to learn, I will still be able to use the samples in my music before, but then with better quality. And also when learning and doing pieces in orchestration it may be more pleasing to my ears to work with. But you are also right with your point and I am considering this, this is why I haven't bought anything yet and why I also wait what comes with Komplete 11.

bigcat1969 wrote:A note because I'm one of the ones who has stressed it, the Kontakt Factory library orchestral selections sound dated and not always the best. Of course they are over a decade old and stripped down heavily from a much bigger library so that makes sense. That is what is being talked about here.

Kontakt itself is the best, most configurable and easiest 'sampler' / sample instrument creator on earth IMO and I have tried others. This is why it prospers and so many of us make instruments for it.

Yes it may be the best, I was not criticizing the interface (well I would but this is another topic) but I can use all my libraries with the free kontakt player and there are tons of other libraries out there that also work with the free kontakt player. So it really hurts to spend so many bucks just to get a dated sample library and what.. a license to use some libraries that force me to have a license.

Why don't do they create their libraries for the free kontakt player? VSL, Garritan, Project Sam, Cinesamples etc, they all can and they all do. So I just don't get the point why I spend so much money just for a license for companies, that doesn't make their libraries avaibale to the free player. Maybe I don't understand this principle well enough.

And when the Full Kontakt 5 version would be up to date, it would a different thing to talk about, because the big sample library could actually be worth the money.

Best full orchestra as first library?