Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!
- KVRian
- 1450 posts since 25 Sep, 2011
For anyone wondering the differences between the 'late' (default) and 'early' model revisions, here are the key differences in the 'early' model, according to Richard:
• All Pulse widths are different, most notable on the Narrow Pulse.
• Triangle, Sharktooth and Sawtooth differ marginally.
• The already large filter range is yet wider.
• A filter sweep downwards at full resonance will go slightly lower before the resonance dies off.
• Filter and VCA are marginally different.
• All Pulse widths are different, most notable on the Narrow Pulse.
• Triangle, Sharktooth and Sawtooth differ marginally.
• The already large filter range is yet wider.
• A filter sweep downwards at full resonance will go slightly lower before the resonance dies off.
• Filter and VCA are marginally different.
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- KVRAF
- 13137 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
Assuming there really is an audio difference between the 50 and 60 Hz setting, I was surprised that so many of the patches used the 50Hz.
We actually have 50Hz here, but afaik in the USA where the minimoog was designed if not made it is primarily a 60Hz country.
Unless the switch came after the patches were made and 50Hz is the default setting.
rsp
We actually have 50Hz here, but afaik in the USA where the minimoog was designed if not made it is primarily a 60Hz country.
Unless the switch came after the patches were made and 50Hz is the default setting.
rsp
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 31 Dec, 2006 from the hills above beautiful Boise, Idaho
Like this better than Monark. Diva- I am always bewildered why people would deny themselves such an incredible tool due to it supposedly being high on the CPU juice. With the Multicore button enabled I can play dense chords with less than 10% on the ASIO meter.
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- KVRAF
- 7395 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
I've been playing with the demo a bit more, and I'm going to have to retract my last comment. I'm preferring this to Monark now as well.
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- KVRAF
- 7624 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
quantum7 wrote:Like this better than Monark. Diva- I am always bewildered why people would deny themselves such an incredible tool due to it supposedly being high on the CPU juice. With the Multicore button enabled I can play dense chords with less than 10% on the ASIO meter.
what do you mean " supposedly", even the uhe site says "Attention!
DIVA is *extremely* demanding on CPU
Despite exploiting all conceivable opportunities to make Diva run as fast as possible, the level of analogue simulation we put into her simply requires extraordinary CPU power. Even if the multicore/multi-threaded option works fine on your system, please consider "freezing" tracks to lower the burden she puts on your CPU. After all she's a Diva, and Divas have DEMANDS!
Finally – Diva's demo restriction is a mild crackling sound that appears at irregular intervals."
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 31 Dec, 2006 from the hills above beautiful Boise, Idaho
I guess my CPU is only around 20 months old, so perhaps Diva is especially demanding on older CPU's. Even when my older CPU used more juice with Diva, I still found it worth the ASIO price. I'd rather bounce a fantastic sounding instrument often than use a lesser-sounding instrument just because it is easy on the CPU.....but then again, I'm used to being a slow-poke writer.ATS wrote:quantum7 wrote:Like this better than Monark. Diva- I am always bewildered why people would deny themselves such an incredible tool due to it supposedly being high on the CPU juice. With the Multicore button enabled I can play dense chords with less than 10% on the ASIO meter.
what do you mean " supposedly", even the uhe site says "Attention!
DIVA is *extremely* demanding on CPU
Despite exploiting all conceivable opportunities to make Diva run as fast as possible, the level of analogue simulation we put into her simply requires extraordinary CPU power. Even if the multicore/multi-threaded option works fine on your system, please consider "freezing" tracks to lower the burden she puts on your CPU. After all she's a Diva, and Divas have DEMANDS!
Finally – Diva's demo restriction is a mild crackling sound that appears at irregular intervals."
"It is better to compose than decompose."
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
With the Poly and Unison mode the "Width" knob controls the stereo width (knob full left is like al voices at the center). With the Mono mode of course this does not work.fluffy_little_something wrote:Even 4-voice polyphony
The user interface looks appealing, luckily they even did away with those irritating swivel switches, whose status is hard to tell.
A suggestion: expand the Polyphony knob so that from 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock one can continually set the stereo for monophonic sounds (12 o'clock full stereo, 3 o'clock full mono). Sure, some DAW's have such controls, but it would be nice to have it in the synth.
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
The Legend was also aded to teh KVR database now:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... io/details
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/synapse-au ... izer-34668
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... io/details
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/synapse-au ... izer-34668
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- KVRAF
- 5796 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
This synth sounds for me better than Diva. There is some instant Moog sound without effects I only heard with Monark.
I think this was a good decision to add Unison and 4x polyphony.
But.. there is no velocity implemented or is this somewhere hidden?
I think this was a good decision to add Unison and 4x polyphony.
But.. there is no velocity implemented or is this somewhere hidden?
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- KVRAF
- 8446 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
at work atm, sorry to ask, but is this also stereo?
autheticity aside, why monark is only mono in vst area is stupid, we should use the modern technology and they should have implemented a stereo button in the configs.
autheticity aside, why monark is only mono in vst area is stupid, we should use the modern technology and they should have implemented a stereo button in the configs.
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
A lot of work seemed to be invested to get the waveforms and also the Noise in The Legend as close to the real thing as possible. There also seem to be differnces between the Late and Eerly models/revisons (both available in The Legend).
The differences should become more obvious when using those with FM or filter FM as there even small differences in the waveforms could result in bigger changes of the resulting sound.
With the pink noise when used for e.g. filter FM the difference between The Legend and Monark seems to be quite obvious and i prefer the result i get from The Legend.
BigTone in his long post in this thread also mentioned that getting the Noise properly, especially in use with FM, was one of the more difficult tasks.
There also seems to be a difference in the pulse width of the Pulse waveforms. Those in Monark seem to be a bit broader/wider while the difference seems to be bigger with the "Narrow Pulse" (the last waveform in the selection). I had compared sample of both. In comparison to samples of the variable Pulse in my Novation Bass Station II the pulse widths of the Square, Medium Pulse and Narrow Pulse in teh Late model of The Legend seem to correspond to around 50% PW, 25% PW and 12 % PW (so each one the double of the next one).
The differences should become more obvious when using those with FM or filter FM as there even small differences in the waveforms could result in bigger changes of the resulting sound.
With the pink noise when used for e.g. filter FM the difference between The Legend and Monark seems to be quite obvious and i prefer the result i get from The Legend.
BigTone in his long post in this thread also mentioned that getting the Noise properly, especially in use with FM, was one of the more difficult tasks.
There also seems to be a difference in the pulse width of the Pulse waveforms. Those in Monark seem to be a bit broader/wider while the difference seems to be bigger with the "Narrow Pulse" (the last waveform in the selection). I had compared sample of both. In comparison to samples of the variable Pulse in my Novation Bass Station II the pulse widths of the Square, Medium Pulse and Narrow Pulse in teh Late model of The Legend seem to correspond to around 50% PW, 25% PW and 12 % PW (so each one the double of the next one).
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
The Mono mode could not really be stereo as it is a single voice but the 4-voice Poly and 4-voice Unison modes have a dedcicated "Spread" knob to add stereo width to the voices (teh knob at minimum is all voices at the center and at maximum there is maximum stereop spread (while for me the maximum is usually too much).Caine123 wrote:at work atm, sorry to ask, but is this also stereo?
autheticity aside, why monark is only mono in vst area is stupid, we should use the modern technology and they should have implemented a stereo button in the configs.
To avoid confusions: The audio output of the plugin is always in stereo, just the panning of the 4 voices is variable with the Poly and Unison mode.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
The warning is from 2012. With multicore button on diva is not more demanding then The Legend or even other modern vst instruments like Serum when playing chords. At least on core i7 4790k wich is considered a modern CPU.ATS wrote:quantum7 wrote:Like this better than Monark. Diva- I am always bewildered why people would deny themselves such an incredible tool due to it supposedly being high on the CPU juice. With the Multicore button enabled I can play dense chords with less than 10% on the ASIO meter.
what do you mean " supposedly", even the uhe site says "Attention!
DIVA is *extremely* demanding on CPU
Despite exploiting all conceivable opportunities to make Diva run as fast as possible, the level of analogue simulation we put into her simply requires extraordinary CPU power. Even if the multicore/multi-threaded option works fine on your system, please consider "freezing" tracks to lower the burden she puts on your CPU. After all she's a Diva, and Divas have DEMANDS!
Finally – Diva's demo restriction is a mild crackling sound that appears at irregular intervals."