MKS-50 vs ReDominator (mp3)

[gentleclockdivider]

I did not say your work was a joke, in fact i paid you a compliment on how good your 303 is, the joke is that this is so poor compared to your 303 (The definitive 303 in software)
There is no other Alpha Juno emulation, and such i would like to see this become the definitive emulation of that also !!

True !
You said It was beyond a joke!
O.k. That Said. I consider abl the only audiorealism plug.to Be a syccesfull emu.
Adm ,while Nice as a drumbox..doesn't even come close...909 kick is way off.
Same with redominator..nice plug...but that's It...surely NOT An emu.
My 2 ct...

[bungle]

It is obviously why they called it ReDominator and not some MKS or Alpha variance, to be fair we could probably all live with this so so synth, but having trust in a developer who does not follow through on developments when they say they will, well that is a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

[Mike Janney]

It is obviously why they called it ReDominator and not some MKS or Alpha variance, to be fair we could probably all live with this so so synth, but having trust in a developer who does not follow through on developments when they say they will, well that is a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

It's not a joke, it may very well be a mistake. Hint, companies (especially run by individuals) make mistakes also. I simply forgot to push the beta with the Alpha Juno-ish filter into release.

But, since I spent some time debugging the ReDominator audio engine this week (due to this thread reminding me about it) I can say that its not just the filter that makes it sound different, instead it seems to be a difference in the way the VCA and the filter interacts which gives the MKS-50 more punch on certain settings.

The Alpha Juno is one of my all time favorit synths and ReDominator is meant to be a tribute to that. I can admit that after releasing something it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep everything up to date, also personal issues get in the way sometimes. But the intention is always to keep working on the audio engines for each product, and improve them where I can.

Now, someone mentioned that we seem to be inactive, to show that I'm certainly active and working on stuff continuously I have been planning to open up more to the process, for example live streams and similar. This might be a good way for users to directly give feedback on changes as they happen..

Mike / AudioRealism

[Mike Janney]

It is obviously why they called it ReDominator and not some MKS or Alpha variance, to be fair we could probably all live with this so so synth, but having trust in a developer who does not follow through on developments when they say they will, well that is a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

It's not a joke, it may very well be a mistake. Hint, companies (especially run by individuals) make mistakes also. I simply forgot to push the beta with the Alpha Juno-ish filter into release.

But, since I spent some time debugging the ReDominator audio engine this week (due to this thread reminding me about it) I can say that its not just the filter that makes it sound different, instead it seems to be a difference in the way the VCA and the filter interacts which gives the MKS-50 more punch on certain settings.

The Alpha Juno is one of my all time favorit synths and ReDominator is meant to be a tribute to that. I can admit that after releasing something it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep everything up to date, also personal issues get in the way sometimes. But the intention is always to keep working on the audio engines for each product, and improve them where I can.

Now, someone mentioned that we seem to be inactive, to show that I'm certainly active and working on stuff continuously I have been planning to open up more to the process, for example live streams and similar. This might be a good way for users to directly give feedback on changes as they happen..

Mike / AudioRealism

[Mike Janney]

Adm ,while Nice as a drumbox..doesn't even come close...909 kick is way off.

I agree the 909-kick can use some improvements.
--Mike

[bungle]

Mike, unfortunately you are not one of a very few developers in the audio world, and like it or not, you are quite high level in reality (Your 303 saw to that, no pun intended) but as users, we constantly have to put up with excuse and failures from developers, so no matter if you like it or not, people pay for things in good will, and when a developer says they will do something, we fully expect as customers to see the developer do that thing, when they do not, it is of no concern of ours if they are upset when it is pointed out in a forum, being more transparent is of way way less importance than actually delivering.
If you need n example, go and look at Native Instruments Maschine forum, they didn't communicate for years, then all of sudden because the forum and public perception imploded, they want to keep everybody updated on progress, even admitting that they ignored Maschine for years, everybody forgives them because they are being open and transparent, WRONG, that lasted all of five minutes until they delivered new hardware and the new software features that had been promised only worked with said hardware, forum now implodes again and public perception is also destroyed again, moral, deliver, that is the important part.

And don't get me wrong here, deliver Redominator 2, paid upgrade, just make it sound better and add in the sysex bank loading and stuff like you suggested, paid upgrades are no problem, we are not all spoilt little brats.
Redominator 1 was the Hoover edition, 2 will be the emulation.

[Mike Janney]

And don't get me wrong here, deliver Redominator 2, paid upgrade, just make it sound better and add in the sysex bank loading and stuff like you suggested, paid upgrades are no problem, we are not all spoilt little brats.
Redominator 1 was the Hoover edition, 2 will be the emulation.

I don't take you wrong and I really appreciate the feedback..! Anyhow I'm not sure we'll do a 2.0 soon but I certainly want to make the sysex converter handle the original posters patch better. I spent some time on this during the week and it's not the missing filter that's causing most of the mismatch, instead it seems
to be a but in the VCA that causes the real Alpha Juno to have more punch with certain envelope settings.

That said, the filter update was released for be Reason version, it was the VST/AU that was missed but now that I'm working on this but I probably will try to fix both issues in one go.

--Mike

[bungle]

Brilliant stuff, looking forward to it

[Mike Janney]

Hi Guys,

After testing Sayer's patch on our lab Alpha Juno I managed to match the sound somewhat better.
I'm using the beta version of ReDominator with the 24dB filter (based on the IR-3R05).

https://soundcloud.com/audiorealism/set ... tor-arp-me

When I programmed Sayer's patch I did get it sounding exactly like his MKS-50, I'm not sure if this is due to a bug in the programming or if the MKS-50 sound engine is slightly different from the Alpha Junos. It could also be the way the master keyboard sends velocity.

The audio from ReDominator is captured directly via the host, and the Alpha Juno is captured via line-in on a Komplete Audio 6. For 100% fair comparison ideally we would capture both devices via the same line-in and audio hardware. The real Alpha Juno sounds a bit more dull and has a bigger bottom end, which is typically common to older synths.

Now, the ReDominator still has several improvements to go (emulation-wise), but this product was really meant to feel and act like an Alpha Juno rather than be an exact emulation. I have no problem improving the sound engine when I can (and time permits!).

I plan on doing a live-stream comparison between ReDominator and the Alpha Juno in the coming days, I'll post the link here when it goes live.

--Mike

[SayersWeb]

Definitely getting closer... seems like there is something off with the envelope. Have you tried decreasing the decay a little bit?

Are you hoping to tweak ReDominator so that when a patch from the Alpha Juno or MKS-50 is opened that there won't be much tweaking required for them to sound similar? I'm happy to do some comparing with the MKS-50 (as long as it keeps working) once you have an updated beta available.

[Mike Janney]

Definitely getting closer... seems like there is something off with the envelope. Have you tried decreasing the decay a little bit?

Are you hoping to tweak ReDominator so that when a patch from the Alpha Juno or MKS-50 is opened that there won't be much tweaking required for them to sound similar? I'm happy to do some comparing with the MKS-50 (as long as it keeps working) once you have an updated beta available.

Well ideally ReDominator should be able to import a sysex patch and it should sound similar with maybe a few manual tweaks. And this worked with the 1.0 released version (kind of, with the 12dB-filter which was not modelled on the Alpha Juno). Now that we have the new filter the rest of the model needs to be calibrated and obviously there's something to be improved on the envelope.

I'll spend some more time on it tomorrow and see where we are at.
--Mike

[bungle]

Big improvement, if you could get it close opening sysex files, that would be amazing, add in importing sysex banks and this synth could be a future treat !!

[AdvancedFollower]

They did with the RE Version for Reason.
It's weird that they haven't updated the vst version with the Original Alpha Filter since that filter option has been availible for a long time in Reason.

In fact they did! (silently)
the "original" filter is now also included on the VST version, strange they didn't announced it, i found it by chance!, It's in the preset menu

I just downloaded it from the website and mine doesn't have this in there. Sure you are not running a beta?

Incidentally I just downloaded the demo from their website too and I don't see the option, either. Guess I'll stick with Diva since these developers don't even seem to bother updating the VST any more sin spite of still selling it for €55.

[v1o]

Well it works well as is and the developer is still active. He spends most of the time updating the 303.