Why are responses on KVR and GearSlutz are so different?

[chk071]

T I wouldn't even call most of the stuff played nowadays on A State of Trance trance really. It's rather a mixture of Trance, and EDM stuff.

Yeah, that's a part of the problem as well. Btw, right now I'm listening to an uplifting trance podcast. I was essentially trance-free (if we discount psy) for about two years now. And it actually sounds pretty decent except for these build-ups. I mean wtf, we have a really nice melody playing and suddenly the pitch goes up and everything fades into noice except for the ultra-loud drum rolls. Is it cool or what?

No idea man, it's just excessive with the build ups and risers these days. Reminds me of the typical things in games and movies too, lots of pictures, emotions, and nice graphics, but not much substance. Much on the surface, not much when you dig deeper. A sign of the time i guess.

[Cap'n Spanky]

I think people here are more software focused. I think people here are a little more budget minded. I think GS has gotten so big it has turned into a bit of zoo.

Both have their good points, but I like it better here. And I'm an old fart.

[recursive one]

Reminds me of the typical things in games and movies too, lots of pictures, emotions, and nice graphics, but not much substance. Much on the surface, not much when you dig deeper. A sign of the time i guess.

Good analogy, I've thought about something like that too.

But that trance podcast was mostly nice overall, seems like they have brought the life back into trance after the years of suck

[Katelyn]

Good trance is psychedelic and/or acidic.

Bad Trance is half of the track being a breakdown with the same old supersaws.

Though even a lot of psychedelic trance has fallen prey to the same fate as those European based styles, I notice this mostly with progressive psytrance. But there is still plenty of good producers out there today making killer tracks, you just got to dig a little more.

Industrial Trance is pretty good though, I really got into artists like Asphyxia in the last year or so.

[Firebird]

Good trance is psychedelic and/or acidic.

Bad Trance is half of the track being a breakdown with the same old supersaws.

Though even a lot of psychedelic trance has fallen prey to the same fate as those European based styles, I notice this mostly with progressive psytrance. But there is still plenty of good producers out there today making killer tracks, you just got to dig a little more.

Industrial Trance is pretty good though, I really got into artists like Asphyxia in the last year or so.

Isn't "good" and "bad" a matter of taste?

Not everyone likes all variations of a particular musical style.

You can say something like, "classic rock is good rock and alternative rock is bad."

Its all a matter of personal taste.

[incubus]

back to the goat ranch with you

Well, in this area, they come to you!

Of course, as dry and dead as it is, there won't be much point much longer.

[incubus]

Good trance is psychedelic and/or acidic.

Bad Trance is half of the track being a breakdown with the same old supersaws.

Though even a lot of psychedelic trance has fallen prey to the same fate as those European based styles, I notice this mostly with progressive psytrance. But there is still plenty of good producers out there today making killer tracks, you just got to dig a little more.

Industrial Trance is pretty good though, I really got into artists like Asphyxia in the last year or so.

Isn't "good" and "bad" a matter of taste?

Not everyone likes all variations of a particular musical style.

You can say something like, "classic rock is good rock and alternative rock is bad."

Its all a matter of personal taste.

Long solos and accidentals are bad, m'kay?

That being said, I'm going to see Steve Vai in about 2 weeks

[fgimian]

Good trance is psychedelic and/or acidic.

Bad Trance is half of the track being a breakdown with the same old supersaws.

Though even a lot of psychedelic trance has fallen prey to the same fate as those European based styles, I notice this mostly with progressive psytrance. But there is still plenty of good producers out there today making killer tracks, you just got to dig a little more.

Industrial Trance is pretty good though, I really got into artists like Asphyxia in the last year or so.

Isn't "good" and "bad" a matter of taste?

Not everyone likes all variations of a particular musical style.

You can say something like, "classic rock is good rock and alternative rock is bad."

Its all a matter of personal taste.

Precisely. Although I love aspects of psy, I find its lack of melodic content and repetition make it hard to enjoy. That's not to say it's bad though, other people love it more than anything.

One could argue that all rock is boring because it's still the same 4 parts (drums, bass, guitar and vocals) after all these years, over and over and over again. Others (incl. me) can hear that each band has a different take on that formula and there's enough to make each album unique that it's still interesting. Then again, there are many rock bands which don't bring anything new to the table.

Similar deal with trance. When you take tracks like Signalrunners - Meet Me in Montauk and listen to both the Original Mix and Oliver Smith Remix, you hear two entirely different interpretations to an awesome melody. I can't choose my favourite between those two mixes, they are both incredible, yet so so so different.

Using just a supersaw for a trance lead is indeed not super exciting, but from my own experience, layering is the key to getting a great lead. Supersaws will always be useful, but they should be complimented with a harder, FM like sound to give bite.

Anyway, there really are heaps of amazing trance tunes out there, and perhaps many of those great tunes are a bit older. If you look hard enough (i.e. beyond ASOT), you will find that there are some guys still producing really unique stuff.

[recursive one]

Precisely. Although I love aspects of psy, I find its lack of melodic content and repetition make it hard to enjoy.

For the record, there are lots of very enjoyable melodic psytrance, some of which is clearly inspired by classic euphoric trance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvSql0_tIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf-GAowxkyU

In my view, this is more trance than what is called "trance" today.

[sjm]

IIRC, the moniker "tarnce" was born from a typo in a KVR thread title just around the time where every second thread was "how do I make a standard supersaw sound for my latest stadium trance hit". It therefore carries with it certain connotations that are presumably lost on the newer members here.

So it isn't just about being an elitist snob, it refers in particular to a certain genre of music made by a certain type of person. It's not like tarnce is actually really trance (at least to anyone who had been listening to trance in the previous millennium). As posted in one of the replies above, you can like trance and still think tarnce is shit. There really is a difference between the two.

[fgimian]

Precisely. Although I love aspects of psy, I find its lack of melodic content and repetition make it hard to enjoy.

For the record, there are lots of very enjoyable melodic psytrance, some of which is clearly inspired by classic euphoric trance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvSql0_tIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf-GAowxkyU

In my view, this is more trance than what is called "trance" today.

AMAZING!!! Thanks for the links, these are so so good! The production is also mindblowingly good.

[recursive one]

AMAZING!!! Thanks for the links, these are so so good! The production is also mindblowingly good.

Glad that you liked it, mate
I'd suggest you to check out these albums then

https://www.discogs.com/Digicult-The-Lu ... se/3610399

https://www.discogs.com/DigiCult-Soul-S ... se/6725829

https://www.discogs.com/Ephedrix-Expand ... se/1976773

https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Nemesis-Orie ... se/1866292

https://www.discogs.com/Protoculture-Lo ... ter/279975

And these ones are really old but I think they've aged well

https://www.discogs.com/Protoculture-Ci ... ase/662226

https://www.discogs.com/Silicon-Sound-P ... ase/126698

[fgimian]

AMAZING!!! Thanks for the links, these are so so good! The production is also mindblowingly good.

Glad that you liked it, mate
I'd suggest you to check out these albums then

https://www.discogs.com/Digicult-The-Lu ... se/3610399

https://www.discogs.com/DigiCult-Soul-S ... se/6725829

https://www.discogs.com/Ephedrix-Expand ... se/1976773

https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Nemesis-Orie ... se/1866292

https://www.discogs.com/Protoculture-Lo ... ter/279975

And these ones are really old but I think they've aged well

https://www.discogs.com/Protoculture-Ci ... ase/662226

https://www.discogs.com/Silicon-Sound-P ... ase/126698

Thanks so much buddy, will absolutely give them a listen soon. Cheers!

[Numanoid]

Good trance is psychedelic and/or acidic.

Good trance is when it has a "Pixies" bassline.

Psy Trance, far too often the bassline just stays in the same key, boring

[tehlord]

The superiority complex that is psytrance.