Multiband stutter, reverse, scratch, tape-stop, glitch: Cableguys TimeShaper out now!
- KVRAF
- 9738 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Look, I doubt there will be any change with this policy and I am a big fan of Cableguys products which have grown better and better as the years have passed.
I just hope in the future non EU buyers are at least taken into consideration because despite what was probably at good effort a fairness, there are still two different prices for Cableguys products. Non EU buyers are not required to pay VAT, so yes it is two different prices.
Anyway, I will be buying the ShaperBox bundle (including TimeShaper of course) because it simply is that good.
I love you what guys have done, especially considering how many new effect plugins, including modular effect racks have released within weeks of each other... this definitely stands out as being unique, well thought out (intuitive) and just flat out sounds good. Great work.
I just hope in the future non EU buyers are at least taken into consideration because despite what was probably at good effort a fairness, there are still two different prices for Cableguys products. Non EU buyers are not required to pay VAT, so yes it is two different prices.
Anyway, I will be buying the ShaperBox bundle (including TimeShaper of course) because it simply is that good.
I love you what guys have done, especially considering how many new effect plugins, including modular effect racks have released within weeks of each other... this definitely stands out as being unique, well thought out (intuitive) and just flat out sounds good. Great work.
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
Jakob,
Any chance of getting some sort of zoom for TimeShaper? I make mostly ambientish music & I love TimeShaper, but am finding that most of the shapes that I want to make are small & subtle taking up very little space on the graph. It can be difficult to get the precise effect that I want. It would be great to be able to zoom in & make finer adjustments.
Thanks
Any chance of getting some sort of zoom for TimeShaper? I make mostly ambientish music & I love TimeShaper, but am finding that most of the shapes that I want to make are small & subtle taking up very little space on the graph. It can be difficult to get the precise effect that I want. It would be great to be able to zoom in & make finer adjustments.
Thanks
- KVRAF
- 9738 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Did you already click on the two arrow pointing diagonally away from each other, located in the upper right corner of the graph? That should zoom the graph to the size of the plugin.virtualpt wrote:Jakob,
Any chance of getting some sort of zoom for TimeShaper? I make mostly ambientish music & I love TimeShaper, but am finding that most of the shapes that I want to make are small & subtle taking up very little space on the graph. It can be difficult to get the precise effect that I want. It would be great to be able to zoom in & make finer adjustments.
Thanks
- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota
Okay this has to be the coolest plugin in a VERY long time. Shaperbox is sort of what LFO tool should've always been like. Easier node editing and tools, zoom, multiple fx routing, much better GUI, etc. Midi triggering for the patterns is brilliant, too. Great job! All we need is some comb-filter modes and reverb modules to feed into the other Shaperbox modules and I'm in heaven.
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
elxsound wrote: Did you already click on the two arrow pointing diagonally away from each other, located in the upper right corner of the graph? That should zoom the graph to the size of the plugin.
Thanks elxsound, yes I did, but it doesn't really give the zoom amount that I would like. Most of the adjustments that I am making are small tape speed ups & slow downs, often on single words. Most of my adjustments take place in the top 16th of the grid.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1098 posts since 11 Aug, 2005 from Hamburg, Germany
Horizontal zoom is something we definitely want to add at some time!virtualpt wrote:Thanks elxsound, yes I did, but it doesn't really give the zoom amount that I would like. Most of the adjustments that I am making are small tape speed ups & slow downs, often on single words. Most of my adjustments take place in the top 16th of the grid.
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- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I think he's looking for a vertical zoom unless I'm mistaken.Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Horizontal zoom is something we definitely want to add at some time!virtualpt wrote:Thanks elxsound, yes I did, but it doesn't really give the zoom amount that I would like. Most of the adjustments that I am making are small tape speed ups & slow downs, often on single words. Most of my adjustments take place in the top 16th of the grid.
Also, I'd love to see a Smooth knob added to these plugins to round those hard 90 degree edges. Would be particularly helpful with square tremolo type effects where I don't want audible clicking, but still a very hard square tremolo, which I imagine would be a tiny amount of smoothing added. With extreme smoothing, the edge would bend but stop just short of the current rounded shape. I think it would be a handy addition.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1098 posts since 11 Aug, 2005 from Hamburg, Germany
Why not simply adjust the wave? Or use a "medium" level point: Right click on a point changes its weight. There's a soft level, a medium, and the hard one.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Also, I'd love to see a Smooth knob added to these plugins to round those hard 90 degree edges. Would be particularly helpful with square tremolo type effects where I don't want audible clicking, but still a very hard square tremolo, which I imagine would be a tiny amount of smoothing added. With extreme smoothing, the edge would bend but stop just short of the current rounded shape. I think it would be a handy addition.
Doing a generic smoothing has the problem that it smoothes the whole wave - while for your audio, it might be better to smooth the wave at some point, but not at the other. It very much depends on the input.
- KVRAF
- 9569 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Jrr have it cheaperelxsound wrote: I just hope in the future non EU buyers are at least taken into consideration because despite what was probably at good effort a fairness, there are still two different prices for Cableguys products. Non EU buyers are not required to pay VAT, so yes it is two different prices
Amazon: why not use an alternative
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1098 posts since 11 Aug, 2005 from Hamburg, Germany
They do the exact same price as we do, don't they?VariKusBrainZ wrote:Jrr have it cheaper
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- KVRAF
- 11483 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Think of the scenario where I setup a square wave shape doing 16th note full modulation of volume (full on to full off). As is, anything that doesn't land on a zero-crossing is likely to create an audible click/pop. So let's say I want to fix this, I can start angling those points so the hard square has a bit of a slope to it, changing the waveform shape. Even if the effect isn't audible, the process might be tedious. Whereas if there was some kind of smoothing knob/algorithm that knew to fade in a few samples or just round the edges of the waveform a tiny bit, it would be a matter of "clicking? Oh, let me add a tiny bit of smoothing via the knob." Knocking it down to a single click and drag operation, which is more efficient.Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Why not simply adjust the wave? Or use a "medium" level point: Right click on a point changes its weight. There's a soft level, a medium, and the hard one.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Also, I'd love to see a Smooth knob added to these plugins to round those hard 90 degree edges. Would be particularly helpful with square tremolo type effects where I don't want audible clicking, but still a very hard square tremolo, which I imagine would be a tiny amount of smoothing added. With extreme smoothing, the edge would bend but stop just short of the current rounded shape. I think it would be a handy addition.
Doing a generic smoothing has the problem that it smoothes the whole wave - while for your audio, it might be better to smooth the wave at some point, but not at the other. It very much depends on the input.
Hope that makes sense. I never actually looked, but I suspect if you looked at some pan plugins (Audio Damage's Panstation, SoundToys Pan Man), that even with a square waveform and 100% depth, there's some level of smoothing happening behind the scenes to prevent clicks. I certainly don't hear them in those plugins as often as I do when beating up on Volume modulation in Shaper Box.
I love the plugs as-is though, so this is just a "this would make them even more awesomer" type of a request from me, and hopefully not perceived as a gripe. Keep up the amazing work.
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
Hi Jakob, I'm more in need of vertical zoom, although both would be niceJakob / Cableguys wrote:Horizontal zoom is something we definitely want to add at some time!virtualpt wrote:Thanks elxsound, yes I did, but it doesn't really give the zoom amount that I would like. Most of the adjustments that I am making are small tape speed ups & slow downs, often on single words. Most of my adjustments take place in the top 16th of the grid.
- KVRAF
- 5718 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
They generally have an extra forum discount. Its still cheaperJakob / Cableguys wrote: They do the exact same price as we do, don't they?
from you guys if you have the discount from owning another
product.
For first-time buyers, JRR's is slightly cheaper.
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- KVRAF
- 5169 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I have a lot of clicks, cracks and artifacts, especially with time shaper. Even with slow and smooth curves. MacOS Sierra Logic Pro X, MacbookPro retina late 2013. Is that normal? In the video it sounds smooth. Maybe macOS Sierra and /or Logic sucks (midi FX would be much much better indeed).
I tryed to change buffer/latency etc. but it´s the same.
I tryed to change buffer/latency etc. but it´s the same.
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- KVRAF
- 1677 posts since 29 Sep, 2013
I'm running Logic over here while not having the problems you've just described.Cinebient wrote:I have a lot of clicks, cracks and artifacts, especially with time shaper. Even with slow and smooth curves. MacOS Sierra Logic Pro X, MacbookPro retina late 2013. Is that normal? In the video it sounds smooth. Maybe macOS Sierra and /or Logic sucks (midi FX would be much much better indeed).
I tryed to change buffer/latency etc. but it´s the same.
I'm under El Capitan though.
May be give me the name of e.g. few Time Shifter presets that produce it, so I could see if it appears over here too.