KVR Audio

tapiodmitriyevich · Post by **tapiodmitriyevich** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:01 am

Hi everyone,

in Studio One, I can pretty much draw or record automation. But I want to have "automatic automation" dependent on other factors. Stupid examples:

- Lets say the pitch of instrument a is dependent on volume of another instrument b
- Let's say there's a midi track and I want at another place have automation value 1 when there's a note on that midi track.
- Let's even say I have a wave audio track and I want to have an automation being dependent on the overall volume of this.

So some kinds of dependencies. Which need a sensor on source side, and apply it to an automation (maybe with even a formula in between) on the target side...
I think the last example cannot be done... For everything else, as for FL, formula controller comes to mind. But Studio One, does it support such concepts? Or will I need to learn max/msp?

Maybe there is proper terminology for what I want, can you tell me? "Automated automation"?

Thank you guys

garryknight · Post by **garryknight** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:52 am

Studio One isn't that smart. But you could put in a feature request here.

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:02 am

Bitwig can do that sort of thing with the modulators

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:43 am

And Reaper too, via parameter modulation.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:53 pm

In FL Studio this stuff is easy to do as well (peak controller), and an envelope lane or automation pattern can be assigned to whatever parameter after the recording/editing.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:23 pm

garryknight wrote:Studio One isn't that smart.

True, it isn't. You could likely only do that kinda thing scripting in Presence.

Keep hope alive.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:59 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
garryknight wrote:Studio One isn't that smart.
True, it isn't. You could likely only do that kinda thing scripting in Presence.

Keep hope alive.

Or use Blue Cat Audio's audio to midi solution

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:07 pm

There are VSTs that allow this (your last example) like Waves Vocal Rider, Melda MAutoVolume and Hornet AutoGain (google "Waves Vocal Rider alternative" for other similar plugins).

Modular hosts like Bidule and VSTForx (again not the only ones, can google for alternatives, like already mentioned Blue Cat has one) can do the other examples or crazier stuff.

BTW, it is not that great (I did it, does not sound special, mostly a timesaving tool for mixing), so don't stretch yourself over this.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:23 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:
garryknight wrote:Studio One isn't that smart.
True, it isn't. You could likely only do that kinda thing scripting in Presence.

Keep hope alive.
Or use Blue Cat Audio's audio to midi solution

Or use FL studio (as stated in the title...for whatever reason)

tapiodmitriyevich · Post by **tapiodmitriyevich** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:16 am

Well OK guys, I think I'll do that kind of stuff in FL then. Was a bit surprised S1 is not (yet?) capable to do this. Bluecat and VST based stuff seems interesting.

I mentioned FL because... not sure. I was aware about automations being more flexible, but not about the Peak controller. Never really looked at it.

Just want to get an overview about the basic concepts and possibilities. Because sometimes I want to do something, but do not know how, and then I move on and do something else. But good ideas do not appear all the time and ideally the flow should be used

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:10 am

tapiodmitriyevich wrote:Well OK guys, I think I'll do that kind of stuff in FL then. Was a bit surprised S1 is not (yet?) capable to do this. Bluecat and VST based stuff seems interesting.

I mentioned FL because... not sure. I was aware about automations being more flexible, but not about the Peak controller. Never really looked at it.

Just want to get an overview about the basic concepts and possibilities. Because sometimes I want to do something, but do not know how, and then I move on and do something else. But good ideas do not appear all the time and ideally the flow should be used

Use the comprehensive help-file in FLS.

tapiodmitriyevich · Post by **tapiodmitriyevich** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:50 am

Totally by chance (I was searching for something else) I stumbled over this, which is related. Just in case this is interesting for some people:

"Convert Audio Drums To MIDI Triggers In PreSonus Studio One"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlUdO4EOl38

Interesting. Unintuiutive for me, I would not have found this

Automation depending on other factors? (Studio One, FL)