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What feature should be implemented in Bitwig 2.1? Melodyne ARA?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 206 posts since 1 Nov, 2005
I almost bought Studio One for $170 (JRRshop crossgrade sale) instead of upgrading to Bitwig 2 for $129 (1.0 Badge), all because I love the Melodyne integration (ARA).
The new Bitwig modulators aren't that useful to me so I still have not upgraded. The cosmetic 'improvement' wasn't needed. I don't know if I can wait for Bitwig 3 or 4 to get Melodyne ARA integration. I waited for REAPER and I've officially given up. Even Tracktion has ARA.
I wish the developers would say something. Dom?
IMO, there are only 3 features that Bitwig needs to be complete and I think ARA is the easiest to implement. I'm curious to see what you guys think.
The new Bitwig modulators aren't that useful to me so I still have not upgraded. The cosmetic 'improvement' wasn't needed. I don't know if I can wait for Bitwig 3 or 4 to get Melodyne ARA integration. I waited for REAPER and I've officially given up. Even Tracktion has ARA.
I wish the developers would say something. Dom?
IMO, there are only 3 features that Bitwig needs to be complete and I think ARA is the easiest to implement. I'm curious to see what you guys think.
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- KVRist
- 421 posts since 11 Dec, 2002 from Los Angeles
Ara would be nice, especially since the lack of rewire means pretty much no serious pitch correction software works properly in Bitwig. However, because I'm old school I just do my pitch correction in Studio One and drop it into Bitwig.
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 12 Apr, 2011
The 3 are quite important.
On the comping side, Bitwig seems (initially) not that worried about comp / recording, and focused more on the electronic side of things, new approaches to workflow and music making. Don't think it's a pressing issue for them and in the grand scheme of things, there are other DAWs for that. Most people use at least 2, so guess they are focusing on making it a better creative tool and later on add those "perks". Pro Tools only had freeze on version 12. FREEZE! It was such a limiting factor. Especially with UAD plugin, freeze makes the capacity infinite pretty much. That being said in, a saturated DAW market, it's probably best to improve on what makes you unique first.
Currently make music in ableton and mix in PT, but really want bitwig to take that music making spot
Melodyne ARA is pretty nice, gets boring having to export all of the vocals into stand alone and importing back. However it's sort of related to the recording side of things, so probably not in their high priority list? It is a cool addition to quickly tune samples, drum hits, etc
Sampler seems the most important thing, the native one has to be powerful and versatile. Ableton has simpler/sampler, Bitwig (as far as i am aware) only has 1, so it better be really good! Gets my vote
On the comping side, Bitwig seems (initially) not that worried about comp / recording, and focused more on the electronic side of things, new approaches to workflow and music making. Don't think it's a pressing issue for them and in the grand scheme of things, there are other DAWs for that. Most people use at least 2, so guess they are focusing on making it a better creative tool and later on add those "perks". Pro Tools only had freeze on version 12. FREEZE! It was such a limiting factor. Especially with UAD plugin, freeze makes the capacity infinite pretty much. That being said in, a saturated DAW market, it's probably best to improve on what makes you unique first.
Currently make music in ableton and mix in PT, but really want bitwig to take that music making spot
Melodyne ARA is pretty nice, gets boring having to export all of the vocals into stand alone and importing back. However it's sort of related to the recording side of things, so probably not in their high priority list? It is a cool addition to quickly tune samples, drum hits, etc
Sampler seems the most important thing, the native one has to be powerful and versatile. Ableton has simpler/sampler, Bitwig (as far as i am aware) only has 1, so it better be really good! Gets my vote
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 12 Apr, 2011
Yes, no time signature automation is a sinpdxindy wrote:Of the 3 listed, the sampler would be my choice... but time signature automation is more important to me than any of those 3.
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- KVRAF
- 5785 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA
Now with 5 DAW's that support ARA it was easy to pass up the
$149 BWS deal at thelooploft. So, yes ARA implementation is
extremely important to me, so much so that I am willing to
pass up Bitwig which lacks this great feature.
$149 BWS deal at thelooploft. So, yes ARA implementation is
extremely important to me, so much so that I am willing to
pass up Bitwig which lacks this great feature.
My Studio: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7760&p=7777146#p7777146
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11031 posts since 12 May, 2008
Tough choice between sampler improvements and ARA. However before they introduce any new features I really think they should finish the things that are half done, even still at V2.0. Touch screen mode usually doesn't allow editing automation (I've seen it work sort of but unpredictable, usually just doesn't work at all), which is kind of a key thin gin a DAW. If you're going to have a touch mode, then finish it. Half finished is not useful. Similarly with MPE support. It's not much use having MPE support if the notes don't record the channel that it was played on. It can play back differently than it was recorded. All other DAWs do this correctly that support MPE. Again, if you're going to include a feature in the program, do it fully. Not half broken.
- KVRian
- 599 posts since 8 Apr, 2014 from USA
Wow. This makes a lot of sense.DaniHel wrote:The 3 are quite important.
On the comping side, Bitwig seems (initially) not that worried about comp / recording, and focused more on the electronic side of things, new approaches to workflow and music making. Don't think it's a pressing issue for them and in the grand scheme of things, there are other DAWs for that. Most people use at least 2, so guess they are focusing on making it a better creative tool and later on add those "perks". Pro Tools only had freeze on version 12. FREEZE! It was such a limiting factor. Especially with UAD plugin, freeze makes the capacity infinite pretty much. That being said in, a saturated DAW market, it's probably best to improve on what makes you unique first.
Currently make music in ableton and mix in PT, but really want bitwig to take that music making spot
Melodyne ARA is pretty nice, gets boring having to export all of the vocals into stand alone and importing back. However it's sort of related to the recording side of things, so probably not in their high priority list? It is a cool addition to quickly tune samples, drum hits, etc
Sampler seems the most important thing, the native one has to be powerful and versatile. Ableton has simpler/sampler, Bitwig (as far as i am aware) only has 1, so it better be really good! Gets my vote
I was going to say ARA or comping, but I think the sampler improvement is probably a better bet...
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- KVRian
- 918 posts since 25 Mar, 2012
Both! I have melodyne studio!
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- KVRian
- 600 posts since 23 Jun, 2005
Bitwig needs Sampler improvements way more than ARA or comping IMO... it needs a slicing mode (like the new Simpler in Live) and better timestretching at the very least
- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling
Given that Bitwig is the least CPU efficient DAW for me (on the Mac, compared to Cubase 9, Ableton Live 9, and Studio One v3), I would vote for Track Transform the way it has been implemented in Studio One. Then ARA (Melodyne integration).
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- KVRAF
- 25305 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
+1Echoes in the Attic wrote:Similarly with MPE support. It's not much use having MPE support if the notes don't record the channel that it was played on. It can play back differently than it was recorded. All other DAWs do this correctly that support MPE. Again, if you're going to include a feature in the program, do it fully. Not half broken.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11031 posts since 12 May, 2008
Yeah this would be great actually. They already have the bounce in place and hybrid tracks. They just need a revert to midi. Such a great feature in Studio One and they implemented it exactly the way I wrote and suggested it to Logic devs back in version 6. They didn't listen.billcarroll wrote:Given that Bitwig is the least CPU efficient DAW for me (on the Mac, compared to Cubase 9, Ableton Live 9, and Studio One v3), I would vote for Track Transform the way it has been implemented in Studio One. Then ARA (Melodyne integration).
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- KVRian
- 841 posts since 6 Nov, 2004 from UK
Wishes:
Onset Sensitivity SLIDER !
Comping
Native Note Repeat
Groove Quantise Templates
Sampler improvements (although current one suits my personal needs tbh)
ARA or homemade alternative (that sounds as good of course) hehe
Clever track freezing options
Saturation Plugin
bonus wishes:
Plugin to Sampler automation tool
Sample Preset converter automation tool
Graphic Based Controller Scripting system
To be fair bitwig is ticking off my wish list pretty well already. I am excited for the time when they've fully nailed all foundation stuff and then get to INNOVATE with new clever ideas. I think that's when we'll see things go to a new dimension and other Daws will be playing catch up.
Best
DALE
Onset Sensitivity SLIDER !
Comping
Native Note Repeat
Groove Quantise Templates
Sampler improvements (although current one suits my personal needs tbh)
ARA or homemade alternative (that sounds as good of course) hehe
Clever track freezing options
Saturation Plugin
bonus wishes:
Plugin to Sampler automation tool
Sample Preset converter automation tool
Graphic Based Controller Scripting system
To be fair bitwig is ticking off my wish list pretty well already. I am excited for the time when they've fully nailed all foundation stuff and then get to INNOVATE with new clever ideas. I think that's when we'll see things go to a new dimension and other Daws will be playing catch up.
Best
DALE