AMD's a-comin!!!... and Intel's been a-dunnin!!
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 4 Jan, 2005
AMD Bulldozer was never hyped like this ... No preorder hype ... Nothing .... Nope ... I think this is the real deal , we definitely will see come March 2nd ..... I guess $499 for an AMD 1800x that smokes Intel's +$1000 CPU will be unleashed ..... OC at 5.2 lolz or OMG ....
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
I'm still gonna wait for the reviews to come in re overclocking headroom on sane equipment. The performance for well threaded applications looks absolutely immense, but I'm waiting to see how the single threaded performance stacks up. I'm still quite dependent on that for a lot of the applications I use (not to mention my gaming habit).
8 cores and 16 threads is all well and good for heavily multithreaded applications (which IIRC standard DAW use comes under), but I spend so much time rendering audio in ancient single threaded applications like CDP and the like that it's still an important metric for me. While it can match Intel chips at stock according to the presentations, Intel chips are just so easily overclockable which adds a ton of performance for single threaded applications (not to mention multithreaded). Still rocking an i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - rock solid, regularly stress-tested and perfectly stable for 4 years now.
Honestly though, with that insane multithreaded performance we may well see if I'm happy to make the compromise even if single threaded performance isn't particularly strong. I'll just have to wait an extra minute or two on particularly brutal CDP/FScape etc renders!
8 cores and 16 threads is all well and good for heavily multithreaded applications (which IIRC standard DAW use comes under), but I spend so much time rendering audio in ancient single threaded applications like CDP and the like that it's still an important metric for me. While it can match Intel chips at stock according to the presentations, Intel chips are just so easily overclockable which adds a ton of performance for single threaded applications (not to mention multithreaded). Still rocking an i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz - rock solid, regularly stress-tested and perfectly stable for 4 years now.
Honestly though, with that insane multithreaded performance we may well see if I'm happy to make the compromise even if single threaded performance isn't particularly strong. I'll just have to wait an extra minute or two on particularly brutal CDP/FScape etc renders!
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- KVRAF
- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
World record? Maybe I should stop checking AMD news, it's gonna be good anywayDebutante wrote:...and back ON topic... LOOK AT THIS SHITE!!!
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/
Blog ------------- YouTube channel
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- Banned
- 7 posts since 27 Jan, 2016
sorry to jump into this late on.
been searching for info on what to go for in my next build. was thinking the I7 7700K but suddenly halted the order looking at the new Zens.
Would probably be a 1700X if I were to go with AMD.
I purely work in the box with loads of VSTs and am not sure if the Ryzen with more cores would be better that the I7 with its higher clock. I will be using Ableton by the way.
any suggestions for me.
Thank you
been searching for info on what to go for in my next build. was thinking the I7 7700K but suddenly halted the order looking at the new Zens.
Would probably be a 1700X if I were to go with AMD.
I purely work in the box with loads of VSTs and am not sure if the Ryzen with more cores would be better that the I7 with its higher clock. I will be using Ableton by the way.
any suggestions for me.
Thank you
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- KVRAF
- 4432 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
wait and see, those chips aren't out yet and weren't tested in any real application.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 17 Jun, 2002
First batch of 1800X already sold out on Newegg and Amazon US...why didn't I order right away!?! 
...oh wait, I don't have any money...well, back to reality...
...oh wait, I don't have any money...well, back to reality...
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- KVRAF
- 1929 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester
Or locked away for insider trading.Numanoid wrote: If you did have any clue about the "real" value of AMD, why aren't you a multi millionaire by now?
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- KVRian
- 1071 posts since 27 Apr, 2016
I hope for everyone who is buying in that they will see some serious drops on the DAW CPU metering cause I cannot recall when any CPU/machine upgrade provided the real performance boosts I was expecting, and I don't update that much leaving a nice long time in between to get at least some value and fun from the investment. It always seemed like about a 25-30pct real world increase maximum even with new faster memory, faster FSB etc. Nothing freezing 2 hungry soft synths would not achieve. (Intel user and always have been here)
Then you add a couple of instances of that new plug in you just purchased and it is back to where you were again for 3 years or longer. Not to mention the complete lack of any new inspiration or creativity occurring. After the hype and a week you forget it's a new CPU and you still have the same tools at your disposal for making a tune.
Right now I am running a 9min track project with 60 tracks thereabouts, lost count of eq, processing and effects plugins, tonnes. It is a 50/50 split between audio and soft synths. Cubase is running me 30pct ASIO ok maybe 35pct since I bunged a Serum/Phoscyon on there a few days ago. It is the most complex production I have ever worked with. This is with a Intel Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz 8mb Cache LGA1155 old chip and on a $100.00 office PC ASUS motherboard. It is pretty lowly as a machine and CPU wise it takes everything I throw at it.
That chip was launched in 2011
Been there, done it and got the T-Shirt with CPU hype. Call me a realist or just an older guy that had experiences that did not correlate with the hype, again and again.
Then you add a couple of instances of that new plug in you just purchased and it is back to where you were again for 3 years or longer. Not to mention the complete lack of any new inspiration or creativity occurring. After the hype and a week you forget it's a new CPU and you still have the same tools at your disposal for making a tune.
Right now I am running a 9min track project with 60 tracks thereabouts, lost count of eq, processing and effects plugins, tonnes. It is a 50/50 split between audio and soft synths. Cubase is running me 30pct ASIO ok maybe 35pct since I bunged a Serum/Phoscyon on there a few days ago. It is the most complex production I have ever worked with. This is with a Intel Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz 8mb Cache LGA1155 old chip and on a $100.00 office PC ASUS motherboard. It is pretty lowly as a machine and CPU wise it takes everything I throw at it.
That chip was launched in 2011
Been there, done it and got the T-Shirt with CPU hype. Call me a realist or just an older guy that had experiences that did not correlate with the hype, again and again.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
Just checked a few IT shopping sites, the 1800X (without bundled cooler) is 559 euros here.
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 27 Oct, 2009
Those Cinebench results are what's most important to me, as I mainly need a faster CPU for 3D rendering. Audio plugins are running fine on current PC.
Promising so far. May be looking into an 1700X for my needs.
Promising so far. May be looking into an 1700X for my needs.
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- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
This is the top model? Cheap, not really, 500 bucks is still a bit of money aint it?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product
It is unlocked, so users can overclock it to get it to perform even harder?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product
It is unlocked, so users can overclock it to get it to perform even harder?
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
It is the top model. It is very affordable compared to Intel. AMD actually wants to get away from its reputation of making cheap stuff. Cheap is always a bit negative.Numanoid wrote:This is the top model? Cheap, not really, 500 bucks is still a bit of money aint it?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product
It is unlocked, so users can overclock it to get it to before even harder?
Not sure what your last sentence means...
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- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Quick Google search:fluffy_little_something wrote:Not sure what your last sentence means...
"CPU locking is the process of permanently setting a CPU's clock multiplier. AMD CPUs are unlocked in early editions of a model and locked in later editions, but nearly all Intel CPUs are locked and recent models are very resistant to unlocking to prevent overclocking by users."
As it is stated on NewEgg site that processor is unlocked, I take it that it can be overclocked to perform even harder than the intial specs.
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- KVRian
- 700 posts since 19 Jan, 2008
All of them are unlocked. Those with X have a technology that auto overclocks if you have good cooler. About price, $500 is less than $1100 and you get the same performance, but I think the best price/performance might be 1400X.
