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djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:37 pm

Is there any comparison between these two?

What attributes does one have that the other lacks?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:59 pm

Okay, I'm gonna ask. What the hell is VPS? Never heard of that VST and I have just about everything made.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:02 pm

Avenger.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:07 pm

wagtunes wrote:Okay, I'm gonna ask. What the hell is VPS? Never heard of that VST and I have just about everything made.

Vengeance Producer Suite Avenger.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:21 pm

Oh, okay.

Comparison?

To go in depth between the two would take a book. They're both pretty complex but soundwise, they're nothing alike; architectures are vastly different; FX sections are vastly different and on and on.

Both are very capable synths in their own right and I guess, as far as sound goes, can cover relatively the same ground. But Avenger just goes so much deeper than Synthmaster once you get past the basic stuff.

If I could only own one synth and those two were my only choices, it would be Avenger hands down. Don't get me wrong. I love Synthmaster. But you're comparing a $60 synth to a $235 synth and there's a reason why the vast difference in prices.

I've made whole songs with Synthmaster and nothing else. So it's perfectly capable of being your one stop shop. And CPU wise, it's much more efficient than Avenger.

Ultimately, test both and come to your own conclusion. Because everything posted here is just going to be one person's opinion, myself included.

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:52 pm

I guess I could've been more specific.

I got Synthmaster but haven't had the chance to use it yet.

I've never really been a fan of Vengeance, except for Nexus, but Avenger looks really useful and flexible.

The arpeggiator looks kinda weird though from what I've seen in demos

S0lo · Post by **S0lo** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:31 pm

Not meaning to derail here, but it could be interesting too to compare Avenger to Falcon. I demoed Avenger quickly but never tried Falcon. would love to know if Falcon is worth it's extra bucks over Avenger.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:44 pm

S0lo wrote:Not meaning to derail here, but it could be interesting too to compare Avenger to Falcon. I demoed Avenger quickly but never tried Falcon. would love to know if Falcon is worth it's extra bucks over Avenger.

Depends on what functions Falcon has that Avenger doesn't that are important to you. Do you care about Granular synthesis? Do you care about having a more modular design? Do you care about the extra FX that Avenger doesn't have?

I have them both and wouldn't give either of them up. To me, they're not interchangeable. One doesn't replace the other. They sound completely different. Falcon has a cleaner sound that, IMO, requires more working with to get to sound "fat" but also has the potential to do things Avenger just can't do.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:45 pm

S0lo wrote:Not meaning to derail here, but it could be interesting too to compare Avenger to Falcon. I demoed Avenger quickly but never tried Falcon. would love to know if Falcon is worth it's extra bucks over Avenger.

I would love to see perhaps a chart to compare Falcon and Avenger.
Include also Rapid, Serum and Icarus in the comparison?
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D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:49 pm

djmino02 wrote:I guess I could've been more specific.

I got Synthmaster but haven't had the chance to use it yet.

I've never really been a fan of Vengeance, except for Nexus, but Avenger looks really useful and flexible.

The arpeggiator looks kinda weird though from what I've seen in demos

Avenger is like Nexus on Steroids since it lets you create your own sounds and so on.

S0lo · Post by **S0lo** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:11 pm

wagtunes wrote:Depends on what functions Falcon has that Avenger doesn't that are important to you. Do you care about Granular synthesis? Do you care about having a more modular design? Do you care about the extra FX that Avenger doesn't have?

Now that your saying it, I think I do care. With the stuff I've got (including Omisphere and Alchemy) may be something more powerful (seemingly) will do good.

wagtunes wrote:I have them both and wouldn't give either of them up. To me, they're not interchangeable. One doesn't replace the other. They sound completely different. Falcon has a cleaner sound that, IMO, requires more working with to get to sound "fat" but also has the potential to do things Avenger just can't do.

I see your point.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:39 pm

Kalamata Kid wrote:
S0lo wrote:Not meaning to derail here, but it could be interesting too to compare Avenger to Falcon. I demoed Avenger quickly but never tried Falcon. would love to know if Falcon is worth it's extra bucks over Avenger.
I would love to see perhaps a chart to compare Falcon and Avenger.
Include also Rapid, Serum and Icarus in the comparison?
Asking do a lot! Might be easier to build a bridge for LA to Hawaii if one is familial with this joke.
http://www.berro.com/joke/bridge_to_hawaii.htm

I have Falcon and Synthmaster, but not Avenger.. so I can't do a fair comparison. Bulent did mention a new version will be on the way, (3.0) but that isn't until next year probably. IIRC, he mentioned many things that he wants put in to it. Some of those include many samples, granular capabilities, a new interface, etc.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:05 pm

djmino02 wrote:I guess I could've been more specific.

I got Synthmaster but haven't had the chance to use it yet.

I've never really been a fan of Vengeance, except for Nexus, but Avenger looks really useful and flexible.

The arpeggiator looks kinda weird though from what I've seen in demos

Spend some time using Synthmaster since you already have it...

I have not tried Avenger, but it might actually just be too much... I appreciate some of the creative tools it offers, but when I hear thousands of single cycle waveforms, that is actually a turn-off for me... I don't really want a synth that has a ton of everything of everything.

VELLISLAV · Post by **VELLISLAV** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:09 pm

i think to wait for new A.N.A 2 and to compare it with Avenger and Serum inside my mix then will decide - price matters but no so much when quality of the sound is what u r after.Cheers

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:27 pm

djmino02 wrote:Is there any comparison between these two?

What attributes does one have that the other lacks?

I know VPS Avenger has a long list on their website about features that it has, and there is a list on KV331's website for the many features within Synthmaster:
https://www.kv331audio.com/synthmaster.aspx

VPS vs Synthmaster