Zappa - what a tight music arranger
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
A clippet from the studio rehearsals for vocals in 1973 shows well how well and pedantically Zappa created his arrangements. Not any single random element. Its like classical music with a groove and attitude.
No wonder that Igor Stravinsky, Claude Debussy, Anton Webern and Edgard Varese were as important role models to him as r&b, jazz, blues, rock and doo-wob musicians.
https://youtu.be/-7nB4trlCzI
No wonder that Igor Stravinsky, Claude Debussy, Anton Webern and Edgard Varese were as important role models to him as r&b, jazz, blues, rock and doo-wob musicians.
https://youtu.be/-7nB4trlCzI
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
it's interesting that this video has 110,408 views... unauthorised... yet Diva and Ahmet continue to break Dweezil's balls for using his own f**king name.
Yeah Frank was a ball-breaker himself. He expected the best from his musicians.
He got into some pretty crazy computer arrangements too.
There was one famous quote, something like (ok gotta search)...
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows."
- Frank Zappa
Yeah Frank was a ball-breaker himself. He expected the best from his musicians.
He got into some pretty crazy computer arrangements too.
There was one famous quote, something like (ok gotta search)...
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows."
- Frank Zappa
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I watched a few things on Youtube regarding auditions for FZ.
Allan Zavod... Duke Ellington discovered him in Australia and arranged for him to go to Berklee school. Anyway, he'd been with J-L Ponty for 8 yrs. So the opening with FZ comes up in 1984, Tommy Mars isn't around for some reason. Zavod is in Arizona, he's on the phone with Frank who wants him to get there ASAP. There's no night flight outta there so AZ says he'll get the first flight out in the morning. "No! Drive here now!" so he does, getting there at like 4 in the morning after driving 8 hrs to start the audition.
Chad Wackerman's audition was a three-day long deal where FZ rented a motel room for him. Thunes was also one of these days-long jobs holed up in a motel, Scott had to learn Mo 'n Herb's vacation in there. Diabolical!
Allan Zavod... Duke Ellington discovered him in Australia and arranged for him to go to Berklee school. Anyway, he'd been with J-L Ponty for 8 yrs. So the opening with FZ comes up in 1984, Tommy Mars isn't around for some reason. Zavod is in Arizona, he's on the phone with Frank who wants him to get there ASAP. There's no night flight outta there so AZ says he'll get the first flight out in the morning. "No! Drive here now!" so he does, getting there at like 4 in the morning after driving 8 hrs to start the audition.
Chad Wackerman's audition was a three-day long deal where FZ rented a motel room for him. Thunes was also one of these days-long jobs holed up in a motel, Scott had to learn Mo 'n Herb's vacation in there. Diabolical!
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- KVRAF
- 2351 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA
I don't like all his music but FZ was one of the greatest of his time.sqigls wrote:it's interesting that this video has 110,408 views... unauthorised... yet Diva and Ahmet continue to break Dweezil's balls for using his own f**king name.
It's funny/sad how all the Zappa family horsesh!ttery regarding the name/musical legacy is precisely the reason why Frank said orchestras prefer playing public domain works by long-dead composers.
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
Oh, but recently I saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjMO_ewZxIQ
BTW, for fun, please go to 9 minutes and listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjMO_ewZxIQ
BTW, for fun, please go to 9 minutes and listen
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I can't even watch a full interview of him, let alone listen to a full track. I suppose that's something, eh? I can't think of another artist who triggers such a feeling of imminent dread at the thought of having to listen to them. I know that if I click play, I'm just going to regret wasting the time. He's just boring and it's pretty clear that he doesn't think so.incubus wrote:Oh, but recently I saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjMO_ewZxIQ
BTW, for fun, please go to 9 minutes and listen
I'm not saying anything about his skill as a musician, I just find his messages utterly uninteresting. Does he think the whole bit with the brown lipstick is funny?
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
Well, I thought it was really great, but the part that stuck out to me is that it was "digitally recorded, mixed and mastered" which would be A SIN in this day and age. But he seemed to think it was ok.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Digital was the new thing, analog was the old thing.incubus wrote:Well, I thought it was really great, but the part that stuck out to me is that it was "digitally recorded, mixed and mastered" which would be A SIN in this day and age. But he seemed to think it was ok.
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
It's funny as f**k.ghettosynth wrote:Does he think the whole bit with the brown lipstick is funny?
David Letterman is such a brown-noser, you don't get it?
or you're a high-brow type of fellow?
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
The reference was obvious, that's the problem.sqigls wrote:It's funny as f**k.ghettosynth wrote:Does he think the whole bit with the brown lipstick is funny?
David Letterman is such a brown-noser of the dark lord, you don't get it?
or you're a high-brow type of fellow?
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
well, i think back then, saying that, on TV, to his face... probably didn't happen so often.ghettosynth wrote:The reference was obvious, that's the problem.sqigls wrote:It's funny as f**k.ghettosynth wrote:Does he think the whole bit with the brown lipstick is funny?
David Letterman is such a brown-noser of the dark lord, you don't get it?
or you're a high-brow type of fellow?
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
And? You're impressed by that?sqigls wrote:well, i think back then, saying that, on TV, to his face... probably didn't happen so often.ghettosynth wrote:The reference was obvious, that's the problem.sqigls wrote:It's funny as f**k.ghettosynth wrote:Does he think the whole bit with the brown lipstick is funny?
David Letterman is such a brown-noser of the dark lord, you don't get it?
or you're a high-brow type of fellow?