I ran out of time, but I quickly made a very similar patch in Dune 2 that's just as aggressive. Maybe even more so because I could use a bit of the filter distortion to get it beefier. I couldn't get it exact because I don't have those wavetables, and I didn't really feel like going though all my wavetables, but I bet I were motivated (I'm not, I don't care that much about that sound... or sounds like that) I could probably reproduce it nearly exactly with the right wavetable.recursive one wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3IJ6vmhv3skokotte wrote:Recursive, could you post a sound , not a song, hard to archive with dune( when you have some free time), i would like to try to reproduce it.
That's a fairly standart dark psytrance lead. The Serum patch uses FM between oscillators, I think in Dune you will have to use an osc as mod source at audio rate to achieve similar effect cause it's native FM is based on sine waves if i'm not mistaken.
If there will be some interest I may later render some sounds from Virus and you may try recreating them in Dune.
DUNE 2 is out now!!
- KVRAF
- 14942 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
This sounds good, great arrangements and sounds. Reminds me on the latest UX album, kind of "cynematic goa". But to my taste the sounds which are not pads are a tad softer than they should be, and these FM farts are a bit weedy and way too noisy, not in a good way imo. Again, this is my personal taste, I prefer sounds which have more impact (sorry for vague terms)Gamma-UT wrote:I spent a little time this afternoon having a play around with Dune2 and knocked up this rough mix:
https://soundcloud.com/gamma-ut/thirdfr ... agmenttest
It's all Dune2 apart from the drums/perc, plus the reverb on the percussion and a single delay send for one of the sounds (the FM saw) because it was quicker to do that way than automate it in Dune2.
Yes, the synthetic dulcimer is because of "spytrance".
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Care to post the result?zerocrossing wrote:I ran out of time, but I quickly made a very similar patch in Dune 2 that's just as aggressive. Maybe even more so because I could use a bit of the filter distortion to get it beefier. I couldn't get it exact because I don't have those wavetables, and I didn't really feel like going though all my wavetables, but I bet I were motivated (I'm not, I don't care that much about that sound... or sounds like that) I could probably reproduce it nearly exactly with the right wavetable.recursive one wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3IJ6vmhv3skokotte wrote:Recursive, could you post a sound , not a song, hard to archive with dune( when you have some free time), i would like to try to reproduce it.
That's a fairly standart dark psytrance lead. The Serum patch uses FM between oscillators, I think in Dune you will have to use an osc as mod source at audio rate to achieve similar effect cause it's native FM is based on sine waves if i'm not mistaken.
If there will be some interest I may later render some sounds from Virus and you may try recreating them in Dune.
Actually this sound depends more on FM than on specific wavetables. Sounds like that have been used in psy since forewer, they originate from FMing simple waveforms in Nord and Virus. I'm usually making these sounnds in Virus by FMing a saw in "pos triangle" mode and also I made several similar patches in Serum using different wavetables. I'm not talking about recreating this exact example at 100%, just getting the sounds in the same ballpark.
This may be not the prettiest sound ever invented by mankind but IMO it is a good test of a synth' ability to handle very fast modulations. It should be ripping, clean and powerful, not weedy or noisy.
I'm well aware that Dune accepts 3rd party WTs and have a collection of those. Also I've heard these demos you've posted and even listened the one by Ayin Zahev very closely to see if it changes my opinion on the synth (it didn't. But who will say that Ayin Zahev is a bad sound-designer?)
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- KVRAF
- 5717 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Thanks.recursive one wrote:This sounds good, great arrangements and sounds. Reminds me on the latest UX album, kind of "cynematic goa". But to my taste the sounds which are not pads are a tad softer than they should be, and these FM farts are a bit weedy and way too noisy, not in a good way imo. Again, this is my personal taste, I prefer sounds which have more impact (sorry for vague terms)
The Nord-style "saw-on-saw" FM was done using a three-operator FM oscillator rather than audio-rate modulation on the sawtooth as I wanted to experiment with modulating the feedback oscillator used to generate one of the sawtooth waveforms. I might have a go at trying to match using a 'scope against a sample as I think it's possible to get closer but not purely by ear, but it's going to break up in different ways to a Nord with modulation added.
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
What if people simply stopped expressing themselves in universals a la "Synth X is bad for style Y" as if their take on it was the standard of 7 billions people on Earth and instead expressed themselves in particulars only like "For the type of sounds I like to use in my particular version of style A, I am struggling more with Synth X than Synth Y"? Would it make a difference, I wonder?
On the positive side, all arguments could transfer into informative exchange of the scope of views and diversity of contexts from which personal benefits or drawbacks of different gear could be derived.
On the negative side, such exchanges may be really boring compared to flame wars and bickerings about pointless pseudo-objective issues. Further, it may lead to hard depressions and maybe even suicide once 95% of forum members realize that they mindlessly have spend half a life time discussing subjective issues as if they were questions of scientific facts.
Nah better stick to the universals then: So is D2 good for Psy Trance or not?
On the positive side, all arguments could transfer into informative exchange of the scope of views and diversity of contexts from which personal benefits or drawbacks of different gear could be derived.
On the negative side, such exchanges may be really boring compared to flame wars and bickerings about pointless pseudo-objective issues. Further, it may lead to hard depressions and maybe even suicide once 95% of forum members realize that they mindlessly have spend half a life time discussing subjective issues as if they were questions of scientific facts.
Nah better stick to the universals then: So is D2 good for Psy Trance or not?
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Spire's coffee is quite punchy. Just what you need in the morning. (I don't drink coffee though. Never liked the taste, or the idea of only getting awake with the help of external substances. Or the social aspect surrounding it.)
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I don't know how "punchy" is that coffee. Yorrrrrr is from Colombia, and can tell us, as Colombia has the best coffee in the worldchk071 wrote:Spire's coffee is quite punchy. Just what you need in the morning. (I don't drink coffee though. Never liked the taste, or the idea of only getting awake with the help of external substances. Or the social aspect surrounding it.)
- KVRian
- 1450 posts since 25 Sep, 2011
Punchy, but harsh and aggresive, expresso coffee. I like soft, decaf coffee too. There are times and opportunities for both kinds of coffee, so it's not a matter of either-or. I've had both Spire and DUNE 2 happily coexisting in my studio and they make a tremendous coffee making duo.
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Coffee eh? Pfft. DIVA will blow you away.